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267632 | "Adam R. Maxwell via OldTools" <oldtools@s...> | 2019‑01‑12 | Next best to Stanley 42X |
GGs, A friend of mine needs to sharpen a Lie-Nielsen dovetail saw, and he wants to try it himself rather then send it out again. He says it's binding, and may not have been set last time it was sharpened, so it needs more than just a quick touch with a file. I don't see a Stanley 42X for sale on fleabay. Is the regular 42 a good alternative? I have a couple of Stearns sets that I dislike for anything finer than 11 pt, and I recall being pretty impressed with how much better the Stanley was on tiny teeth. thanks, Adam Benton City, WA |
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267635 | Erik Levin | 2019‑01‑12 | Re: Next best to Stanley 42X |
Adam asked: > I don't see a Stanley 42X for sale on fleabay. Is the regular 42 a good alternative?I am not a saw sharpening pro, but I have done a fair number. I have a 42, a 42W, and a 42X (as well as other non-Stanley). I prefer the 42X overall, as the plunger blade grip is much nicer than the fence on the 42 for most things. I use the 42W for fine teeth, as I can adjust the stop fence to control the set angle more readily (it doesn't clamp the blade, but has a small fence, more like a tiny foot, relative to the 42, which has more of a fence) though alignment is more of an issue. The 42 is OK, as well, but I don't tend to use it much. The wider fence (than the 42W) does help with some saws. Any of them will easily handle 14TPI, and I have done 18 and 20 with the W. It is graduated on the adjuster to 16TPI, but the "hammer" is narrow enough to go a little finer (on mine, at least. May have been modified at some point before I got it). If you can find a good deal on a 42 or a 42W, it will, in my opinion, be fine, if not as nice as the 42X, and certainly nicer to use than the Sterns. Minor gloat: When I got the 42X, it was in a box marked "42", and the seller, a usually savvy tool purveyor, didn't realize. He had a few 42's unboxed on the table, as well as some Sterns and several other makes, and some higher end units for actual money. The 42's and Sterns were $US1. I think he was trying to clear stock. It was $US1 more because mine had the box..... I have no Idea what came over him that day several years ago, but I have never seen it again. *** This message was sent from a convenience email service, and the reply address(es) may not match the originating address |
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267636 | gary may | 2019‑01‑12 | Re: Next best to Stanley 42X |
Hey guys: Tage Frid suggested using a small screwdriver to wrest the tiny teeth of fine sawblades, and it worked for me a time or two, on the modern Sandvik dovetail saws I carry on the job. I gotta say, though, after decades of peering and peering at tiny teeth I've determined that they are over-rated and I've just quit fiddling with anything finer than 10 pt. Sure, it's sour grapes, but for a lark, take a dull-as-dishwater 5 point ripsaw and put crosscut teeth on it. You'll immediately see that sharpness matters ever so much more than TPI Personally I think the reverence for small teeth evolved from pure swank among handmakers and escalated to madness when machines took over the job. Like so many other modern concepts: white bread, plastics, ice-cold beer, synthetic fibres, power tools--they've oversold their actual value. my 2c: gam in OlyWA/USA How horrible it is to have so many people killed!---And what a blessing one cares for none of them! Jane Austen On Saturday, January 12, 2019, 12:07:01 PM PST, Erik Levin via OldTools |
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267637 | Kirk Eppler | 2019‑01‑12 | Re: Next best to Stanley 42X |
On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 10:37 AM Adam R. Maxwell via OldTools < oldtools@s...> wrote: > > I don't see a Stanley 42X for sale on fleabay. Is the > regular 42 a good alternative? I would suggest 1 of 2 things 1 - contact M Groves, he may have some 42x for sale 2 - get a 42, and file the anvil a bit smaller, and dedicate it to smaller teetch -- Kirk Eppler in HMB, who has tried neither technique before |
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267639 | Bruce Zenge <brucensherry@g...> | 2019‑01‑12 | Re: Next best to Stanley 42X |
OK, I'm going to suggest heresy here, but you might look for a Millers Falls set (240?). I have noticed over the few I've had that the plunger has been smaller than the 42 Stanley. Sadly, I was never able to actually sharpen a saw before back issues have severely slowed my activity, but I still have the tools and the will. Now if I can just get to it.... Bruce Z. Des Moines IA On Sat, Jan 12, 2019 at 3:43 PM Kirk Eppler via OldTools < oldtools@s...> wrote: |
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267641 | RH <rhhutchins@h...> | 2019‑01‑13 | Re: Next best to Stanley 42X |
I think I've seen Paul Sellers use a nail or a nail set to set teeth. |
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267642 | John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> | 2019‑01‑13 | Re: Next best to Stanley 42X |
GG's Let's not get so obsessed with early processes that we give up "modern" conveniences like saw sets in favor of "pure" procedures like hammering small saw teeth! Even an Old Order Neanderthal such as myself sees this as a question of "The craftsmanship of certainty vs. the craftsmanship of risk." Think of the learning curve! How many saws would you have to botch before you could be confident that you had the precision to hammer-set small teeth consistently? How many to develop consistency with a "wrest" If you "bend 'em back and forth" until you get it right, they will fatigue and snap off. I'm going to make like a scratched phonograph record, and repeat my advice: Go to the Flea Markets, Yard Sales, and Estate Sales and seek out the thousands of surviving saw sets and other tools in the wild. Buy ANY complete ones which you encounter. Hawk your "spares" on the Porch or eBay. Keep them in circulation. John Ruth |
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267643 | Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> | 2019‑01‑13 | Re: Next best to Stanley 42X |
I have a lovely old 10” Disston #4 that Tom Law sharpened rip for me 10+ years ago. It is 13 ppi and it has always bound up a little when it got to 3/4” deep or so. I have the equipment but I am afraid to set the teeth Because I know I will go too far!! Talk about a learning curve - 8 or 10 ppi is one thing, but. . . . |
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267644 | Joshua Clark <jclark@h...> | 2019‑01‑13 | Re: Next best to Stanley 42X |
The regular 42 and the 42W have the same size plunger, as far as I know. They should be interchangeable. Another great option is the Eclipse 77. It has the same double action clamp/set mechanism as the 42X. The version with the thin plunger works really well for finer saws. Josh |
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267645 | Paul Drake <bdbafh@g...> | 2019‑01‑13 | Re: Next best to Stanley 42X |
Joshua, Are you sitting on any eclipse 77 saw sets by chance? Should Patrick Leach RIP his inbox over this one? Thanks, Paul Drake |
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267646 | Joshua Clark <jclark@h...> | 2019‑01‑13 | Re: Next best to Stanley 42X |
Paul- I have none at the moment, unfortunately. They are very common and not terribly expensive- usually $30 or so. There seem to be two versions- those with the thicker plungers and those with thinner plungers, but no way to differentiate between the two without looking at the plunger. Also, look for the made in England version. Josh |
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267647 | John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> | 2019‑01‑13 | Re: Next best to Stanley 42X |
Gentle Galoots Seeking Sawsets: $30 for a sawset?! Thirty Dollars? Maybe in the rarefied world of online auctions! From this day forward, I’m buying all the $1 and $2 saw sets that turn up at Yard Sales, Flea Markets, and Estate Sales. Hardly anyone selling them knows what they are! Those that do, don’t care because “ Sent from my iPhone |
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267649 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2019‑01‑13 | Re: Next best to Stanley 42X |
On 2019-01-12 6:49 p.m., Joshua Clark wrote: > Another great option is the Eclipse 77. It has the same double action > clamp/set mechanism as the 42X. The version with the thin plunger > works really well for finer saws. > > Josh I'll second that. Don -- A thermometer is not liberal or conservative. - Katharine Hayhoe A good row does wonders for raising interest, and to be 'good' a row must have something to be said on both sides, and a proper issue in the middle." - Rosemary Hill, 'Writing About the Crafts', in The Culture of Craft, Peter Dormer, ed. Being offended doesn't make you right. |
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267658 | "Adam R. Maxwell via OldTools" <oldtools@s...> | 2019‑01‑13 | Re: Next best to Stanley 42X |
> On Jan 12, 2019, at 20:45 , John Ruth |
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267659 | Tony Zaffuto <tzmti@c...> | 2019‑01‑13 | Re: Next best to Stanley 42X |
Out of the half dozen or so, sawsets I have, I only got my 42X last year, for the princely sum of $2.00 American. Excellent shape, just dirt from laying in someone's tool box for several decades. Found it at my tool honey hole- Fayetteville Antique Mall, just east of Chambersburg, PA on Route 30. Several dealers always have plenty of stuff to go through, but the last few times I've been there, prices are all over the map-either give away or retirement fund! T.Z. Anthony M. Zaffuto, President Metaltech, Inc. 3547 Watson, Hwy. DuBois, PA (814) 375-9399 |
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267660 | Matthew Groves <grovesthegrey@g...> | 2019‑01‑14 | Re: Next best to Stanley 42X |
I have way more 42Xs than I need. If anyone wants to buy one at 2012 prices let me know. Matthew Groves |
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