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267271 Dragon List <dragon01list@g...> 2018‑12‑03 interesting plane from alameda flea
assembled galoots in pre-christmas/current hannukah/pre-solstice cheer,

a few of us went on our annual december alameda fleabag run yesterday, and
much (ga)loot was had obtained.  usually i can keep track of who bought
what, but between kirk eppler, michael suwczinsky, joe jerkins, joe parker,
brian rytel, and i, we packed the tailgate for the end of day shot.  we
actually had to make a trip mid-wander back to the cars to drop off...

kirk or michael or joe or brian will have photographs of said tailgate.

one of the items i managed to score was a center bead plane with unusual
boxing.  it's boxed with horn, 3 pieces, in a sliding dovetail let in to
the sole of the plane.  the plane is stamped "minzies" on the toe and "j.e.
cutts" on the side; apparently minzies is in goodman, and was a glasgow
maker in the 1811-1816 period.  if anyone has goodman, and wants to confirm
this, i'd appreciate it; i'd also appreciate it if anyone knows anything
about the maker, or has seen planes by them in the past.

has anyone seen makers use horn as boxing before?  it's tough to search
for, because of "horn planes"; looking up "horn boxing" didn't yield
anything either.

i tried to upload pictures to GIC but am getting 404 errors.  did i miss
something about changes there?  i wrote to brian about it, though.

kirk kindly allowed me to post the pictures on his smugmug account, so have
a look at https://kirkhmb.smugmug.com/Woodworking/Other-Galoots/Bill-Kasper/
and you can see the little beauty.

enjoying monday best i can,
bill
felton, ca
267272 Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> 2018‑12‑03 Re: interesting plane from alameda flea
Bill

How does it look that the horn is wearing?  Very cool

Ed Minch
267273 Dragon List <dragon01list@g...> 2018‑12‑03 Re: interesting plane from alameda flea
it's definitely worn, ed, but when i sighted down it it's still well-shaped
for the center bead.  it's still tight in its dovetail, and none of the
individual pieces are loose at all.

the iron is worn worst; it might be time to cut a new iron and keep the old
one on the shelf.  however, for the nonce i'll just sharpen the old iron
and give it a try.

oddly enough, the wedge is twisted above the plane body, but it fits nice
and tight.  i've not seen *that* before.
267274 Greg Isola <gregorywisola@g...> 2018‑12‑03 Re: interesting plane from alameda flea
Nice pickup, Bill. Very cool. Is the bedding angle steeper than usual, or
is that just the photo angle? I'm asking because maybe the horn and 55?
degree angle indicate intended use on especially hard wood, or something
like that. Just a thought.

Greg Isola
Alameda, CA
still banging his head for missing the flea yesterday...
267275 Dragon List <dragon01list@g...> 2018‑12‑04 Re: interesting plane from alameda flea
good eyes, greg.  i believe it *is* steeper than usual; i didn't even
consider bedding angle.  i'll measure it against my h&r and beaders
tonight.  york pitch is 50deg apparently, and middle pitch 55deg, this
looks even steeper than that.

maybe horn slicks up better on strange hardwoods than box?

best,
bill
just say "we missed you yesterday"
267276 Joshua Clark <jclark@h...> 2018‑12‑04 Re: interesting plane from alameda flea
Cabinet pitch is 55 degrees, middle pitch is 60. Based on the sole
profile, that looks like a cock bead to me, not a center bead. I
haven't seen one boxed with bone before. That's a really cool plane.

Josh
267277 Dragon List <dragon01list@g...> 2018‑12‑04 Re: interesting plane from alameda flea
josh, it’s 60deg, so middle pitch, and you’re right, a cock bead.  thanks
for the clarification.

definitely horn, not bone, though.

cheers!
bill
267278 "Adam R. Maxwell via OldTools" <oldtools@s...> 2018‑12‑04 Re: interesting plane from alameda flea
> On Dec 3, 2018, at 09:50 , Dragon List  wrote:
> 
> the plane is stamped "minzies" on the toe and "j.e.
> cutts" on the side; apparently minzies is in goodman, and was a glasgow
> maker in the 1811-1816 period.  if anyone has goodman, and wants to confirm
> this, i'd appreciate it; i'd also appreciate it if anyone knows anything
> about the maker, or has seen planes by them in the past.

That is a neat plane! When you said 3 pieces of boxing,
I assumed it was lignum mortised in, like the Philly
planemakers. Someone did a heck of a job with that horn.

Goodman 3rd ed. says:

>MINZIES
>From the number of marks it seems certain that he was 
>a commercial planemaker. The planes are of standard
>length and include a triple iron, edge-working astragal
>and hollow sash plane. This, together with his name,
>suggests that he was either working in Scotland or was
>of Scottish origin.

Two marks are shown; I'll send that offlist if you want. No
date or address given, though.

Adam, who just spent a pleasant few minutes using a
nice old King & Peach, Hull snipes bill.
267280 Dragon List <dragon01list@g...> 2018‑12‑04 Re: interesting plane from alameda flea
adam, thanks.  would love to see the marks.

i can find NO reference of any planemaker ever using horn.  if it wasn't as
tight as it is, and did't fit the dovetail with no gaps, i'd wonder if it
was replacement for boxwood or lv.  either way, you're right, someone did
do a heck of a job.

after reading and looking at how cock bead planes are used, i realize the
original iron is NOT there.  but it gives me the desire to forge and file
one, to get this working properly.

cheers,
bill
felton, ca

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