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264743 Don Schwartz <dks@t...> 2018‑01‑17 dog holes
I am contemplating a new bench, and noticed Derek Cohen's bench sports 
both rectangular and round dog holes. Is there any advantage of one over 
the other, or is a combination of both desirable?

don

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264744 Chuck Taylor 2018‑01‑17 Re: dog holes
Don Schwartz wrote:

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I am contemplating a new bench, and noticed Derek Cohen's bench sports 
both rectangular and round dog holes. Is there any advantage of one over 
the other, or is a combination of both desirable?

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Don,

I don't think there is a "wrong" answer to the "round vs. square dog holes"
question.


Advantages of square dog holes:

* square dogs don't rotate
* square dogs are more traditional
* easier on new benches than on an existing bench
* boring holes through a 5" thick maple bench top is hard work. DAMHIKT.


Advantages of round dog holes:

* round dogs are easier to retrofit on an existing bench
* arguably less fussy to install on a new bench 

* can use the same holes for bench dogs and holdfasts
* round holes tend to be smaller (3/4") than square or rectangular holes and
allow less debris to fall through


Beyond that, I think it's a matter of individual preference. I went with square
dogs when I built my latest bench. YMMV.

--
Chuck Taylor

north of Seattle USA
264747 Chuck Taylor 2018‑01‑18 Re: dog holes
Don,

Don, you wrote:


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... I think it may be easier to find 'fillers' for unused round holes than
rectangular ones,

to help keep dust under control below deck.
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Good point. I keep intending to make enough square dogs to fill all the square
dog holes. So far, that hasn't happened....
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I should have made clear that I was wondering if anyone had thoughts on 
the issue of having both types vs. having one or the other.
====


I've never seen anyone else do it quite like Derek did it. I think I would hold
off on the extra round holes along the back of the bench and then see whether or
not you miss them.

Chris Schwarz recommends starting with one or two holdfast holes, then adding
more as you see the need. Same idea.

Cheers,
Chuck Taylor
north of Seattle
264748 Derek Cohen <derekcohen@i...> 2018‑01‑18 Re: dog holes
https://s19.postimg.org/byu4wwxib/Tailvisea_zpsvnal6yby.jpg

Again using the front square dogs to hold a long board and plough grooves for
drawer slips …

https://s19.postimg.org/5pqxi5f4j/Sofa_Table_Secret_Drawer_html_m40f1f6f7.jpg

Moxon dovetail vise held by hold downs in round dogs. 

https://s19.postimg.org/6pboiyf8j/moxon13.jpg

At the rear can be seen round dog holes, which are used when planing across the
bench (usually when traversing, but here smoothing) …

https://s19.postimg.org/yg89w5roz/IDeclare_This_Bench_Finished_html_m64
ad6e87.jpg">https://s19.postimg.org/yg89w5roz/IDeclare_This_Bench_Finished_html_
m64ad6e87.jpg

Hope this helps.

Regards from Perth

Derek
264754 "yorkshireman@y..." <yorkshireman@y...> 2018‑01‑18 Re: dog holes
Don adds shavings to the dog hole flame wars… 


> I am contemplating a new bench, and noticed Derek Cohen's bench sports both
rectangular and round dog holes. Is there any advantage of one over the other,
or is a combination of both desirable?


I’m agnostic.   I don’t care.  You can add round holes much more easily, but you
can make up square stuff for dogs more readily. My square dogs went in when I
made the bench top up by laminating from 4x2 stuff.  My Alaskan holdfasts work
well in square holes, and I plug them up with oddments of foam offcuts to
prevent items like screws from escaping to the nether regions.  I placed a row
at the back, and find them useful, both as a park for dogs which helps itmes not
flee over the far side, but also so that I can use tall dogs with sometimes a
spreader bar in front of them as an aid to holding largish items in place.  A
couple of folding wedges can do wonders when you can set up dogs and spreaders
at front and back and one end.

I can’t testify to round holes in use - as per Toms post, remember to make them
large enough to give a cocking angle on your holdfasts so they work.



Richard Wilson
in a bright and sunny coastal shelf in Northumberland, away from all the white
stuff at the top of the hill.
264755 Thomas Johnson <drthjo@g...> 2018‑01‑18 Re: dog holes
HI Gang -
Thanks for the responses so far, ... I'm a little embarrassed to admit that
I bought these holdfasts TEARS ago from Phil K I believe and they're been
hanging idly on a hook in my shop ever  since. I know any number of this
little club have been enjoying their Phil K holdfasts since long before I
bought them - because I bought them as a result of the raves they were
getting on the Porch. I see the snazzy ones that crank down etc. on line,
and they look like a fabulous product .... it's just that there still is
enough of a Galoot in me that hand forged 'arn feels like "me".

All the very best,
Tom


On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 6:51 AM, yorkshireman@y... <
yorkshireman@y...> wrote:

>
> Don adds shavings to the dog hole flame wars…
>
>
> > I am contemplating a new bench, and noticed Derek Cohen's bench sports
> both rectangular and round dog holes. Is there any advantage of one over
> the other, or is a combination of both desirable?
>
>
> I’m agnostic.   I don’t care.  You can add round holes much more easily,
> but you can make up square stuff for dogs more readily. My square dogs went
> in when I made the bench top up by laminating from 4x2 stuff.  My Alaskan
> holdfasts work well in square holes, and I plug them up with oddments of
> foam offcuts to prevent items like screws from escaping to the nether
> regions.  I placed a row at the back, and find them useful, both as a park
> for dogs which helps itmes not flee over the far side, but also so that I
> can use tall dogs with sometimes a spreader bar in front of them as an aid
> to holding largish items in place.  A couple of folding wedges can do
> wonders when you can set up dogs and spreaders at front and back and one
> end.
>
> I can’t testify to round holes in use - as per Toms post, remember to make
> them large enough to give a cocking angle on your holdfasts so they work.
>
>
>
> Richard Wilson
> in a bright and sunny coastal shelf in Northumberland, away from all the
> white stuff at the top of the hill.
>
>
>
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264757 Tim <tpendleton@g...> 2018‑01‑18 Re: dog holes
Don & GGs,

My modest research suggests that round or square holes will be OK.
However, it is imperative that you use new dogs because (wait for it...),
You can't teach old dogs new tricks!

Running & ducking...

Tim
In NJ, where even the squirrels are wearing sweaters.

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