Ya I know that files should be protected, , but just recently I purchased a few
more patternmakers files, to add to the morasse of files, and on an impulse
purchased from abebooks a catalogue of nicholson xf swiss pattern files. So know
I know that there’s more files to get (scary thought)

I generally pass on really dull and abused files now-unlike in y younger years-,
but one file drawer is full of the larger files, and another filled with rasps
from big to small, and yet another is filled with small ‘swiss pattern” files
and rifflers  of the finer sort. And they do run the gamut from tangible teeth
to the so fine you’d hardly think they were files ...and then there's the
watchmakers files that you’d think were just needles utntil you look at them
under the microscope

Well I don’t have much to go on in this pursuit of storage facilitation, having
only purchased one patternmakers tool chests where the swiss pattern files were
handled by old glass cutter handles and stacked upright, so I was wondering if
the illuiminati could share their experience about seeing various and sundry
‘PATTERNMAKER” file storage systems.  that they may have seen or encountered
along the way over the years....were there  drawers, tool rolls  or whatever

I’ve had alerts on searches for Drill bit storage cabinets, and have had a
plethora pf responses, but generally been disappointed as they all seem to show
storage for right hand twist bits and maybe Forstner, but ignore number/letter
/augers of all ilks/ left hand/orifice/jewelers......but nothing comprehensive

Eric in calgary who did not send the OMG message

Eric and file-accumulating galoots:


Your post made me smile, as it is probably impossible to own one of every type
of file and unlikely that one could own one of every size of drill, especially
since you mention direction of rotation.


Canadian Guy Lautard has written a series of remarkable books called "The
Machinist's Bedside Reader Vols. 1 - 4"   One of them details the "Stroke 'o
Genius" file rack, which you could study for ideas if not actually duplicate.
One idea it embodies is tiers to accommodate files of different lengths.


I once visited a small home shop which had all the files in notched racks on the
wall over the benches.  The racks were about 15 feet long, which is a LOT of
files.  Each had a handle and was hung with the handle up.  The tangs were in
slots.


It occurred to me that a prolonged drop in humidity might result in some of the
files falling out of their handles.  (Note that this issue is sometimes
mentioned in association with tanged chisels hung in this manner.)


On the other hand, the inventory was highly visible and this would probably
increase the likelihood of selecting the best possible file for the task at
hand.  Also helps in remembering what you already have to avoid needless
duplications.


I've not heard of any commercially-made storage racks for augers except early
Russell-Jennings came in a three-tier wooden case.

These did not have a high survival rate on real-world job sites.


The augers could be a great excuse to use your set of hollowing planes.
Alternatively, auger storage can be accommodated in a wall-hung lidded box which
also stores your long- and short-sweep braces.  (What's that you say? You have
over two dozen braces? You must be a Galoot!)


Huot still makes great drill storage solutions, although they are not cheap !


John Ruth

Thinking about all he has to be thankful for this year, including this mailing
list.

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Subject: [OldTools] file storage.....as in metal files

Ya I know that files should be protected, , but just recently I purchased a few
more patternmakers files, to add to the morasse of files, and on an impulse
purchased from abebooks a catalogue of nicholson xf swiss pattern files. So know
I know that there’s more files to get (scary thought)

I generally pass on really dull and abused files now-unlike in y younger years-,
but one file drawer is full of the larger files, and another filled with rasps
from big to small, and yet another is filled with small ‘swiss pattern” files
and rifflers  of the finer sort. And they do run the gamut from tangible teeth
to the so fine you’d hardly think they were files ...and then there's the
watchmakers files that you’d think were just needles utntil you look at them
under the microscope

Well I don’t have much to go on in this pursuit of storage facilitation, having
only purchased one patternmakers tool chests where the swiss pattern files were
handled by old glass cutter handles and stacked upright, so I was wondering if
the illuiminati could share their experience about seeing various and sundry
‘PATTERNMAKER” file storage systems.  that they may have seen or encountered
along the way over the years....were there  drawers, tool rolls  or whatever

I’ve had alerts on searches for Drill bit storage cabinets, and have had a
plethora pf responses, but generally been disappointed as they all seem to show
storage for right hand twist bits and maybe Forstner, but ignore number/letter
/augers of all ilks/ left hand/orifice/jewelers......but nothing comprehensive

Eric in calgary who did not send the OMG message
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John Ruth mentions a clever storage rack for machinist files thunk up by a
fellow named Lautard. A little googling yields numerous mentions of his lazy-
susan-inspired rack but no photos or textual description of such. And alas, his
books appear to be out of print as well. So, have any of you folks made such a
rack based on your reading of his book? It would be nice to see a photo or two
so as to get a better idea of what the man wrote about. I may have a use for
such an accessory as well.

Thanks,

John

I've got a wall rack, a couple stump with holes drilled for needle files,
and a couple drawers with dowel porcupines to keep them separate, and a
bunch of tool rolls for rasps and rifflers.  I'll get some photos up when I
get home.  They're not all together, but grouped by purpose.
Cheers
Claudio

What about a simple magnetic bar tool holder? Or would that not be
galootish enough?

best wishes,

Mike Lynd

File racks can be a good approach for those of us who have both a surplus of
unused wall space and a desire to cover it up.  I don’t have either one, so most
of my file storage is on edge in a tool cabinet drawer, with the file handles
holding them apart.  Small files are in a canvas tool roll, and my most used
files at the bench are stored by hanging their handles on a few pegboard hooks.
My unused saw files are mostly in their original manufacturer’s boxes, the used
ones are in either a cloth holder or a wooden holder.  Wherever files are
stored, they shouldn’t be banging teeth-upon-teeth with adjacent files or hard
metal objects, as that isn’t good for keeping the teeth sharp and effective.

Charlie Driggs

> On Nov 25, 2017, at 8:22 AM, Charles Driggs  wrote:
> 
> File racks can be a good approach for those of us who have both a surplus of
unused wall space and a desire to cover it up.  I don’t have either one, so most
of my file storage is on edge in a tool cabinet drawer, with the file handles
holding them apart.  Small files are in a canvas tool roll, and my most used
files at the bench are stored by hanging their handles on a few pegboard hooks.
My unused saw files are mostly in their original manufacturer’s boxes, the used
ones are in either a cloth holder or a wooden holder.  Wherever files are
stored, they shouldn’t be banging teeth-upon-teeth with adjacent files or hard
metal objects, as that isn’t good for keeping the teeth sharp and effective.
> 
> Charlie Driggs
> 
> 
>> On Nov 24, 2017, at 7:56 PM, John Leyden  wrote:
>> 
>> John Ruth mentions a clever storage rack for machinist files thunk up by a
fellow named Lautard. A little googling yields numerous mentions of his lazy-
susan-inspired rack but no photos or textual description of such. And alas, his
books appear to be out of print as well. So, have any of you folks made such a
rack based on your reading of his book? It would be nice to see a photo or two
so as to get a better idea of what the man wrote about. I may have a use for
such an accessory as well.
> 

I might as well me too.

Metal working files in tool rolls, since they don’t get used as often. Saw
sharpening files and some small yet to be used files in original boxes and
wrappers. Rasps and floats are kept in a tiered box I made that sits on the
floor next to the bench where they are easily grabbed. Started out as two tiers
but two more have been added over time. Best understood as a picture:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/77280442@N.../38603336922/in/dateposted-public/

Blll

OK I still wear cutoff jeans in summer.
When you do something your whole life its hard to give it up.
Or rather, I cant find shorts near so comfortable as old worn Levi's cut 
off.
I can't make a good men's suit, but anyone can sew file bags.
http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/filebag.jpg

I keep some bags nailed up on the backside of cabinet doors for access 
and space saving
http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/hometools/filebag2.jpg

Small trays store a lot of needle files safely
http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/auction/filestorage.jpg

http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/hometools/filebag3.jpg

Got to keep em clean! Colton's is the best file brush. A soft steel pick 
and an aluminum "rake" (which cuts its own teeth) to dig in and get the 
gunk out of your files.

http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/filecleaning.jpg

   Of course, NOS stays wrapped in wax paper inside the old boxes, ready 
to get into battle at a moments notice haahha
http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/filebox.jpg

Yours Scott

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> On Nov 25, 2017, at 09:33 , scott grandstaff  wrote:
> 
> Got to keep em clean! Colton's is the best file brush. A soft steel pick and
an aluminum "rake" (which cuts its own teeth) to dig in and get the gunk out of
your files.
> 
> http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/fileclea
ning.jpg">http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/fileclean
ing.jpg <http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtoo
ls/filecleaning.jpg">http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtool
s/filecleaning.jpg>
Scott, can you say more about the aluminum rake? Do you
use the side or the end?

thanks,
Adam

Its just a blunt "chisel" that I made from roadsign aluminum.
Rub it over the teeth a little, and they cut their own rake teeth, 
cleaning a file perfectly to the bottoms of the gullets
    yours Scott

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I'm not really comfortable with having edge tools holding a magnetic
charge, even the residual one that inevitably results from being hung
from a magnetic tool bar. Stray metal particles and all that,
dontchaknow.

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Sent:Sat, 25 Nov 2017 10:45:51 +0000
Subject:Re: [OldTools] file storage.....as in metal files

 What about a simple magnetic bar tool holder? Or would that not be
 galootish enough?

 best wishes,

 Mike Lynd

 On 25 November 2017 at 02:23, Claudio DeLorenzi 
wrote:

 > I've got a wall rack, a couple stump with holes drilled for needle
files,
 > and a couple drawers with dowel porcupines to keep them separate,
and a
 > bunch of tool rolls for rasps and rifflers. I'll get some photos up
when I
 > get home. They're not all together, but grouped by purpose.
 > Cheers
 > Claudio
 >
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On 2017-11-25 2:05 PM, scott grandstaff wrote:
> Its just a blunt "chisel" that I made from roadsign aluminum.
> Rub it over the teeth a little, and they cut their own rake teeth, 
> cleaning a file perfectly to the bottoms of the gullets 

A bit of copper tubing works well too. Squash an end in a vise, and use 
as above. Squash both ends , and you can make rakes of different pitch.

Don

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The Famous Pig Song, Clarke Van Ness

The copper tube deal is what I use at my jewelry bench.

 Best, Spike

Sent from the seat of my pants

Whoa, so many rakes.
Doesn’t anyone else use a bit of chalk on their files? Then they more or
less stay clean in the first place, unless they’re as dull as
Trudeau-The-Younger
Cheers
Claudio

I'm a chalk kind of guy but the copper gizmo is kind of neat.



On 11/25/2017 6:00 PM, Claudio DeLorenzi wrote:
> Whoa, so many rakes.
> Doesn’t anyone else use a bit of chalk on their files? Then they more or
> less stay clean in the first place, unless they’re as dull as
> Trudeau-The-Younger
> Cheers
> Claudio
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On 2017-11-25 5:00 PM, Claudio DeLorenzi wrote:
> Whoa, so many rakes.
> Doesn’t anyone else use a bit of chalk on their files?

Well yeah, but then chalk dust...

Don

For those who didn't notice, Claudio slipped a little politicomictary in 
there. Shall we forgive him?

-- 
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The Famous Pig Song, Clarke Van Ness

I propose a trip with a polishing cloth and a can of Brassso to the Spitoon
end of porch is in order for Claudio.

All those in favour say Aye!

Mick Dowling
Melbourne
Member, Hand Tool Preservation Association of Australia Inc.


On 26/11/17, 11:52 am, "Don Schwartz"  wrote:
Don

For those who didn't notice, Claudio slipped a little
> politicomictary in 
there. Shall we forgive him?

OK, I will leave all discussion of X to my good friends from Western
Canada, who have great love and respect for all things...living or dead.
Cheers
Claudio

On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 8:09 PM Mick Dowling 
wrote:

Irwin has several different wooden boxes for auger bits. Most of mine are from
the 40's. For twist drills
A set of nine augers, a screwdriver, and a countersink came with this one. https://youtu.be/BfRB8IrzRHI">https://youtu.be/BfRB8IrzRHI
This is a store display that ended up at an antique store. https://youtu.be/exXKwwv_k38">https://youtu.be/exXKwwv_k38
Chris Anderson has one that I have yet to aquire one of. https://youtu.be/4nNr3fvzmg8">https://youtu.be/4nNr3fvzmg8

Galoots-

For small files, I'm following David's suggestion,  I was able to acquire a
Russel-Jennings auger box sans bits with an odd lot of tools and keep my
saw files in it  Some of the more abundant sizes are wrapped in
anti-corrosion paper to keep them from wearing each other while the sparser
sizes get their own slot in the box.

Phil

I was applauding