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262681 "Frank Filippone" <red735il@g...> 2017‑07‑17 Winding sticks
Since we are in the throes of Winding Stick building......

I thought I might ask....
I have always seen these as 2 pieces of identical species wood, with sometimes
and inlay of lighter wood ( or ivory) on one of them.....

Has anyone tried to make a set from 2 species of wood with different colors?  As
in Maple and walnut ..... one light , the other dark?.. rather than the inlay
...?
Was it a successful set?

Frank Filippone
Red735il@g...
262682 Kirk Eppler <eppler.kirk@g...> 2017‑07‑17 Re: Winding sticks
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 10:00 AM, Frank Filippone 
wrote:

>
> Has anyone tried to make a set from 2 species of wood with different
> colors?  As in Maple and walnut ..... one light , the other dark?.. rather
> than the inlay ...?
> Was it a successful set?
>
>
>
Frank

I once tried this as an interim idea, never "made", just grabbed two sticks
of opposing colors.  I found it hard to gauge how far off I was.  The
inlaid strip, or the lines on the LV set, make it easier to gauge how much
of an error needed fixing.
-- 
Kirk Eppler, not ashamed to have the LV set, unlike the OP linked at the
start of this
262683 Nichael Cramer <nichael@s...> 2017‑07‑17 Re: Winding sticks
Frank Filippone wrote:
>[...]
>I thought I might ask....
>I have always seen these as 2 pieces of identical species wood, with 
>sometimes and inlay of lighter wood ( or ivory) on one of them...
>Has anyone tried to make a set from 2 species of wood with different 
>colors?  As in Maple and walnut ..... one light , the other dark?.. 
>rather than the inlay ...?

That's how I made mine (maple and mahogany).

>Was it a successful set?

I've always been pretty happy with it.

A few more notes:
1] I find the contrast in colors really helpful (i.e. the contrast helps
in detecting any tiny mismatches).

2] I trusted my ability to make a more precise set from two solid pieces
(even if from different species) than by trying to attach an inlay.

3] Concerning using different species, I reasoned as follows:

-- Presumably the advantage of making both sticks from the same
species is that they could better handle any humidity-caused
shrinkage, etc in "similar" ways.
But I figured if either stick was that out of whack, then they had 
worse problems
than anything caused by simply being made from different species.

-- Likewise, I assume that any humidity-based instability is going
to manifest itself in each stick's width (i.e. perpendicular to the 
long-side of the sticks)
So unless the grain was really wonky, this shouldn't affect the
accuracy of the sticks (i.e. the "top" and "bottom" edges should
tend to remain parallel.)

N
262687 Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> 2017‑07‑17 Re: Winding sticks
My set is cherry and pine, with two dowels that hold them together so they don’t
get lost or mistaken fro scrap and thrown away. I find they work just find, but
am intrihied by the half-moon idea:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ruby1638/35991846775/in/dateposted-public/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ruby1638/35602998300/in/dateposted-public/


Ed Minch
262688 Tony Zaffuto <tzmti@c...> 2017‑07‑17 Re: Winding sticks
Mine are scrap pieces of cherry, beveled, but without any contrasting inlay.  I
too, am intrigued by the half moon design and will make a set when I find time.

T. 

Anthony M. Zaffuto, President
Metaltech, Inc.
3547 Watson, Hwy.
DuBois, PA
(814) 375-9399
262689 Don Schwartz <dks@t...> 2017‑07‑18 Re: Winding sticks
On 2017-07-17 5:31 PM, Tony Zaffuto wrote:
> Mine are scrap pieces of cherry, beveled, but without any contrasting inlay.
I too, am intrigued by the half moon design and will make a set when I find
time.
The half-moons look cool. But I wonder if whatever is in the background 
(within the half-moons) would intefere with their utility. I will make a 
more traditional pair with inlaid piano key & ebony bits when IGART and 
a nice straight-grained piece of mahogany. In the interim, I use a pair 
of aluminum angles , one of which I blackened with a Sharpie. I place 
the black one closer to my viewing position.

 From the samples I've seen, most vintage pairs are about 16-18 inches. 
I wonder why?

FWIW
Don

-- 
On Jan. 26, 2016, the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal (CHRT) ruled that the
Government of Canada racially discriminates against 165,000 First Nations
children.

“Until all of us have made it, none of us have made it.” - Rosemary Brown, the
first Black woman elected to a Canadian legislature
262690 William Ghio <bghio@m...> 2017‑07‑18 Re: Winding sticks
> On Jul 17, 2017, at 8:21 PM, Don Schwartz  wrote:
> 
> On 2017-07-17 5:31 PM, Tony Zaffuto wrote:
>> Mine are scrap pieces of cherry, beveled, but without any contrasting inlay.
I too, am intrigued by the half moon design and will make a set when I find
time.
> The half-moons look cool. But I wonder if whatever is in the background
(within the half-moons) would intefere with their utility. I will make a more
traditional pair with inlaid piano key & ebony bits when IGART and a nice
straight-grained piece of mahogany. In the interim, I use a pair of aluminum
angles , one of which I blackened with a Sharpie. I place the black one closer
to my viewing position.

The background needs to be light to contrast w/ the dark wood. Here is the pair
I have used for several years: https://www.flickr.com/photos/77280442@N.../35993102615/in/dateposted-
public/">https://www.flickr.com/photos/77280442@N.../35993102615/in/dateposted-
public/

Cherry, w/ Holly and Ebony inserts. I find I see the differences best w/ the
Holly to the rear. This is the only tool, so far, that I have put a hang hole
in: https://www.flickr.com/photos/77280442@N.../35993102645/in
/dateposted-public/">https://www.flickr.com/photos/77280442@N.../35993102645/in
/dateposted-public/

This was the second pair I built. My first pair were quite good so I thot I
would make a set to give away for Galoot-a-Claus. If you look closely you will
see two flaws so I kept these and gave away the first pair. Since then I have
made a third set that also went out as a Galoot gift. Fun projects.

Bill
262691 Mark Pfeifer <markpfeifer@i...> 2017‑07‑18 Re: Winding sticks
Mine are high contrast, and it does seem to help.

One is an ancient Stanley Model 0 that I think was made of walnut or something
like that, with nice solid heavy brass. Its partner is a 10 year old Stanley
made from the common yellow species of polystyreneus plastitackyus.

But I read Schwarz’ blog post about half moon winding sticks and it’s convinced
me to make a pair, partly because some of the design features are very subtle
and useful, and especially since the ones that prompted the article are from
Charleston SC.

MPf.
262692 "Maddex, Peter" <peter.maddex@n...> 2017‑07‑18 Re: Winding sticks
I have.

Mine are ABW and Beech, with a ABW dowel as a centre marker in the beech one and
a beech dowel in the ABW one.
They work well for me nice and visible results.

Pete

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Subject: [OldTools] Winding sticks

Since we are in the throes of Winding Stick building......

I thought I might ask....
I have always seen these as 2 pieces of identical species wood, with sometimes
and inlay of lighter wood ( or ivory) on one of them.....

Has anyone tried to make a set from 2 species of wood with different colors?  As
in Maple and walnut ..... one light , the other dark?.. rather than the inlay
...?
Was it a successful set?

Frank Filippone
Red735il@g...


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262693 gary may 2017‑07‑18 Re: Winding sticks
Hi Frank:
  
Consider converting a couple of beyond-reasonable-repair wooden levels----
there's a lot of good wood in them--bleach the lightest one and ebonize the
other.---they're dirt cheap around here. I mean at my house. Bring a dime, I'll
get you half a dozen.

         Hope this helps---
                                                     gam in OlyWA/USA 

How horrible it is to have so many people killed!---And what a blessing one
cares for none of them!
Jane Austen

      From: Frank Filippone 
 To: 'OldTools List'  
 Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 10:01 AM
 Subject: [OldTools] Winding sticks
   
Since we are in the throes of Winding Stick building......

I thought I might ask....
I have always seen these as 2 pieces of identical species wood, with sometimes
and inlay of lighter wood ( or ivory) on one of them.....

Has anyone tried to make a set from 2 species of wood with different colors?  As
in Maple and walnut ..... one light , the other dark?.. rather than the inlay
...?
Was it a successful set?

Frank Filippone
Red735il@g...


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262694 Michael Parrish <michaelparrish@o...> 2017‑07‑19 Re: Winding sticks
Well, my one and only attempt at making winding sticks was a disaster.  I had
slightly thin walnut stock to begin with.  When I resawed it into two sticks, it
immediately warped beyond recovery.  I will have to get motivated and try again
one day.

I can't imagine why two sticks of different species wouldn't work.  Unless I was
the one making them, then I could see a reason it wouldn't work.  Lol.


---
Michael Parrish
michael-parrish.com


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Date: 7/18/17 17:20 (GMT-06:00)
To: Frank Filippone , 'OldTools List' 
Subject: Re: [OldTools] Winding sticks



      From: Frank Filippone 
 To: 'OldTools List' 
 Sent: Monday, July 17, 2017 10:01 AM
 Subject: [OldTools] Winding sticks

Since we are in the throes of Winding Stick building......

I thought I might ask....
I have always seen these as 2 pieces of identical species wood, with sometimes
and inlay of lighter wood ( or ivory) on one of them.....

Has anyone tried to make a set from 2 species of wood with different colors?  As
in Maple and walnut ..... one light , the other dark?.. rather than the inlay
...?
Was it a successful set?

Frank Filippone
Red735il@g...


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262696 Don Schwartz <dks@t...> 2017‑07‑19 Re: Winding sticks
On 2017-07-18 6:12 PM, Michael Parrish wrote:
> Well, my one and only attempt at making winding sticks was a disaster.  I had
slightly thin walnut stock to begin with.  When I resawed it into two sticks, it
immediately warped beyond recovery.  I will have to get motivated and try again
one day.

I feel your pain. Same thing happened to me with some mahogany which 
apparently wasn't straight-grained enough...

Don, who finally mostly finished restoring interior doors and spent some 
time today wondering if he should have bought that piece of cherry with 
so much twist in it...

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Government of Canada racially discriminates against 165,000 First Nations
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first Black woman elected to a Canadian legislature
262697 Nichael Cramer <nichael@s...> 2017‑07‑19 Re: Winding sticks
Don Schwartz wrote:
>[...]
>Don, who finally mostly finished restoring interior doors and spent 
>some time today wondering if he should have bought that piece of 
>cherry with so much twist in it...

Surely you mean "so much wind in it"?

D&Ring
N

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