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262302 <gtgrouch@r...> 2017‑05‑18 Re: Garden Gate - help needed please!
I would go with thicker material. If is not so much that the stile opposite the
hinge will sag vertically as it is that an unfastened opposite top corner may
sag away from the post with a thin gate. By the way, positioning the catch near
the top will mitigate this.

YMMV, void where prohibited by law (a silly American legal statement, Jeff),

Gary K
Albion NY, USA

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The last gate I made had a diagonal to stop sag, but all the joints where pegged
with seasoned oak pegs, try getting them out once they expand!
I would wedge and/or drawbore all the frame and use PU glue just to be sure.
I can't see any pegs in the picture but they could be on the other side.
I would go thicker than 1 1/2 its not thickness for a wide gate and you can
haver thicker tenons.
Looks a nice project.

Pete

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Sent: 18 May 2017 14:42
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Subject: [OldTools] Garden Gate - help needed please!

Galoots Assembled,

My youngest darling daughter has commissioned (commanded) me to make a front
entrance gate for their newly fenced front yard.  To communicate her desires for
design, she indicated I should study the gates offered at https://emea01.safelinks.protection.ou
tlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.prowellwoodworks.com%2Fgate%2Findex.htm&data=01%
7C01%7Cpeter.maddex%40ntu.ac.uk%7Ce2a4c4ec6b2a457bafb008d49df3c7d1%7C8acbc2c5c8e
d42c78169ba438a0dbe2f%7C1&sdata=Y7Q%2BcEjSqMU8tES%2FxOlj6ZXx%2Fa9D1ySLaGhl2AJ3v1
E%3D&reserved=0  I've rootled around this website--excellent sharing of
information, I might add--to gather information about types of wood to use/not
use for a gate, and types of joinery, hardware, etc.

Here is where I am right now.  The gate opening is 51 inches wide, and the gate
should be no more than 48 inches at the tallest point.    Here is the
"inspiration" for the gate my daughter (picky client) has picked:  https://emea01.safelinks
.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.prowellwoodworks.com%2Fgate%2Fgard
en_gates_96b.jpg&data=01%7C01%7Cpeter.maddex%40ntu.ac.uk%7Ce2a4c4ec6b2a457bafb00
8d49df3c7d1%7C8acbc2c5c8ed42c78169ba438a0dbe2f%7C1&sdata=zUficd6GpXWaTx2E9r9dWMR
M9d4KTSNY4fFLEt0XOts%3D&reserved=0   The gate will be western cedar, as
pictured.

Here are my questions:
1.  I'm planning on using 1 1/2 inch thick lumber, though I could also go as
thick as 2 or 2 1/4 inch thick stuff.  Is 1 1/2 inch stout enough if the bottom
rail is 7 inches wide, the middle and top rails 4 inches, and the sides 5 inches
wide?  Do these dimensions seem sufficient to keep the gate stiff and prevent
sagging over time?
2.  I was planning on using basic hand cut blind mortise and tenon joinery for
the gate frame.  Should I also plan to use a drawbore pin at each joint?  Is
this the best joinery option for a relative wide exterior gate?
3.  What else am I not considering that I should be?

Your help will be appreciated greatly.

Cheers,
John

John M. Johnston
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