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262186 William Ghio <bghio@m...> 2017‑04‑22 Are Stanley chisels too brittle?
Or was somebody just having a bad day?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/77280442@N.../34197627665/in/dateposted-public/

Found these at a yard sale advertising "tools” today. They were still there when
I left.

Bill

More on yard sale in next post...
262188 bridger <bridger@b...> 2017‑04‑22 Re: Are Stanley chisels too brittle?
I think someone was unclear on the concept of chisels....

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262189 Phil Schempf <philschempf@g...> 2017‑04‑22 Re: Are Stanley chisels too brittle?
Or maybe mixed up on the type of chisels, these being wood chisels rather
than cold chisels.
262191 Michael Dawson <misterschmoo@g...> 2017‑04‑22 Re: Are Stanley chisels too brittle?
These look to me like they have been used by builders as their chisel 
for cutting away wood and steel, nails that's in the way, they're not 
exactly the right shape for them, but they're not wrong either.

Michael
NZ
262190 John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> 2017‑04‑22 Re: Are Stanley chisels too brittle?
Bill,

Stanley chisels with the transparent yellow plastic handle, like the one on the
left in this photo,  tend to be pretty decent users.
> 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/77280442@N.../34197627665/in/dateposted-public/

I would have bought that one if they would part with it for a buck or two.  They
are just a tad softer than I like.  I believe the steel is chemically correct;
my understanding is that the big toolmakers don't want the temper too hard, so
that Freddie Allthumbs won't lose an eye if he uses a chisel to pry open a paint
can.

These may not be the greatest, but you could carry them into a job site without
any big worries.  Keep your heirloom set at home!

John Ruth
262192 Brent A Kinsey <brentpmed@c...> 2017‑04‑22 Re: Are Stanley chisels too brittle?
I have a set of the clear yellow handle Stanley's I bough 25 years ago, and
while they are a tad soft, I have never found them to be brittle.  I keep mine
clean and sharpened up for benchwork but they are the ones I take to
construction projects and let others use because it doesn't kill me to have to
grind them back if necessary.  They have been a decent chisel for me.  Not as
good as my marples blue chip, not nearly as good as my variety of older wooden
handle chisels, but decent.

Sent from my iPad
262193 Bruce Zenge <brucensherry@g...> 2017‑04‑22 Re: Are Stanley chisels too brittle?
In my experience, the one on the left and the one on the right are
both acceptable users.  I agree that somebody didn't pay attention in
class when they were told what chisels are for....  These aren't
Everlasts, of course, but decent users, none the less.

Just my opinion.
Bruce Z.
Des Moines, IA
262194 Charles Driggs <cdinde@v...> 2017‑04‑23 Re: Are Stanley chisels too brittle?
Like many of us, I have multiple sets of chisels.  The exact number is a closely
held secret LOML does not know.  Some sets for general woodworking.  Some for
better woodworking.   Some for the really better woodworking that I pray I don’t
fall asleep doing while using them — dangerous concept in itself as these are
kept quite sharp.  And then there is a bunch of a different style altogether
that has no plastic where you grip it — those are for metalworking.  I generally
don’t mix these groups in use.

I do have a full set of Stanley yellow & black celluloid or plastic handled
chisels that I slip into a tool bag when I go elsewhere — usually being one of
my kid’s homes to attempt fixing or new carpentry or trim work.   They are
surprisingly good chisels, but much lower in replacement value than some of the
others I own.  I also have two chisels from the very first matching tool sets
that graced my and my brothers’ hands at single digit ages - wooden handles with
clear finish and light blue paint at the whacking end of the handle.  Aged and
well used, and turned some years ago into something really useful for seating
wedges into handles within tool heads.

But these others — wow, I can’t say that I ever thought I had the time needed to
return something like these brutally abused tools to serviceable condition.  I
used to see these things at the flea markets and just cringe.   Some of them
likely did have nice steel, and were pretty good tools at one time, but the
abuse they suffered would be too much to learn in detail.  On the now infrequent
times I wander flea markets, these are what I too often see — the good ones are
apparently being either hoarded or sold on *bay.

Wow, Bill.  Let’s hope their steel at least gets recycled.  I would do the same
thing you did — ye olde constabulary statement of "Move on folks, nothing to see
here” comes to mind.  …  shudder ….

Charlie
 

On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 3:00 PM, William Ghio  wrote:

Or was somebody just having a bad day?

https://www.flickr.com/photos/77280442@N.../34197627665/in/dateposted-public/
262195 Bret Rochotte <rochotte@g...> 2017‑04‑23 Re: Are Stanley chisels too brittle?
My experience with the yellow handled 60's is that they were hard, held a
good edge but were brittle.  Not laminated so you get no tough steel with a
brittle tool steel back, just all tool steel.
262196 Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> 2017‑04‑23 Re: Are Stanley chisels too brittle?
The third from the left, the grungy blue and clear one, is a Craftsman made by
Stanley.  I have  a set of them in my traveling bag and they are fine chisels -
hold a good edge (ask Bill Ghio what they look like when you hit a bolt while
digging rot out of a stinky bilge).

Ed Minch
262197 scott grandstaff <scottg@s...> 2017‑04‑23 Re: Are Stanley chisels too brittle?
The yellow and black chisels are traditionally good chisels.
  I have had a lot of good use from mine over the years.

I carried this one a half million miles.
http://users.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/images/oldtools/stanleychisel.jpg
    yours Scott

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262198 Kirk Eppler <eppler.kirk@g...> 2017‑04‑23 Re: Are Stanley chisels too brittle?
On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 1:00 PM, William Ghio  wrote:

> Or was somebody just having a bad day?
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/77280442@N.../34197627665/in/
> dateposted-public/
>
> Found these at a yard sale advertising "tools” today. They were still
> there when I left.
>
>
Yup, like everyone else, I would have picked these up for $1 (total).
Sharpened them up on the beltsander, then a decent grinder, and called them
my Neighbor Chisels.  Good enough to loan, or as other say, take to the
jobsite.  No heartbreak when I need to grind them back.
-- 
Kirk Eppler, happy after a few decent visits to an estate sale, more to
follow.

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