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261661 Michael Suwczinsky <nicknaylo@g...> 2017‑02‑14 A simple pine box
So the kid wanted a piece of furniture for her room, to hold the record
player in a very specific place, of a particular size and to hold albums
and art supplies
https://www.flickr.com/photos/10735775@N.../31973001563/
So she took a tape measure to the space , made a measured drawing and
handed it off to her dad, who with a stack of wide pine boards from the
last closet remodel, got to work.  A half formed plan in my head was for
rabbetted corner joints, and a rabbet for a plywood back.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/10735775@N.../32087730993/
Wide boards, but not 13 inches wide. Edge joined and glued up in early
November
https://www.flickr.com/photos/10735775@N.../32119748762/
Set up the shooting board, put an edge on the 6C (groove soled plane for
subduing medium  sized dogs), ran one edge of each board nice and square.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/10735775@N.../32119830782/
Really understand the need for an offset handle on a shooting board plane,
you can see the bloody knuckle in the vid, from the sharp edge of the
melamine track the plane slides on.
Edges square, joinery test done, used the neaderbuddy (b@n...@w) to cut off
the excess and squared up the other ends of the boards  by  late November
and thought of making this a Christmas present.
On to the corner joints.  Sargent 79 rabbet plane was one of my first joint
making planes, pulled it from the toolchest, found the fence, sharpened up
the nicker, (after dropping it twice) and blasted thru the end grain over
the Thanksgiving weekend.  To avoid blowing out the end grain, I screwed a
sacrifical stick to the workbench that the boards butted up against, and
kept shifting it forward for each new rabbett, leaving an odd series of
screwholes in the bench, need to fill those.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/10735775@N.../31458787503/
My rabbetting technique was a little iffy, not as square and straight as
hoped, but another 79 plane, this time a Stanley side rabbet plane, made
fun, quick work of getting rabbets deep enough. Touch up with a 90
cabinetmakers rabbet plane brought everything square.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/10735775@N.../31458686523/
By December 24th I was cutting the rabbetts for the plywood back in the
long grain of the boards.  So much for a Christmas present. Also,
un-noticed duriing the glue up to make the boards wide enough were a couple
of knots right where I needed the rabbet.
This was fun (please note sarcasm!) Scored the joint with the nicker on the
plane, then again with a knife, and touching up the iron on the Sargent,
wetting down the knots with water and alcohol and managed to cut the
rabbets with less drama than expected.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/10735775@N.../32352607416/
Glue up went quickly, some finish nails reinforced the joints, then planed
the sides and the endgrain to bring everything into line. More nails and
glue secured the plywood back and then paint.  Pebble White to match the
molding in the kids room, leaving the bottom (on the carpet) and the
interior bare wood. Can't have those albums sticking.
Finished shot again.  Fun to do, simple, straightforward, exactly what the
kid wanted in terms of size and function.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/10735775@N.../31973001563/
At several points along the way, the thought of a tailed demon, spinning
along at ear splitting speeds  and putting a shower of static charged dust
on every surface and I'd have been long done by now.  Where's the fun in
that?

Michael
261663 Thomas Conroy 2017‑02‑15 Re: A simple pine box
My God, it really is a record player! There's your old tool content right there.
I thought they were extinct.
Tom Conroy
Berkeley


Michael Suwczinsky wrote: "So the kid wanted a piece of furniture for her room,
to hold the record player in a very specific place, of a particular size and to
hold albums and art supplies
https://www.flickr.com/photos/10735775@N.../31973001563/"
261664 Don Schwartz <dks@t...> 2017‑02‑15 Re: A simple pine box
On 2017-02-14 5:11 PM, Thomas Conroy via OldTools wrote:
> My God, it really is a record player! There's your old tool content right
there. I thought they were extinct.
> Tom Conroy
Turntables & vinyl are a thing these days. All the 'cool kids' and 
hipsters have them. My millenial daughter won't let me sell the vinyl 
because she considers it's part of her inheritance...

Don

-- 
Let's all get normal at the luau - 'Frizz' Fuller
261665 paul womack <pwomack@p...> 2017‑02‑15 Re: A simple pine box
Don Schwartz wrote:
> On 2017-02-14 5:11 PM, Thomas Conroy via OldTools wrote:
>> My God, it really is a record player! There's your old tool content right
there. I thought they were extinct.
>> Tom Conroy
> Turntables & vinyl are a thing these days. All the 'cool kids' and hipsters
have them. My millenial daughter won't let me sell the vinyl because she
considers it's part of her inheritance...

Oh yeah, they're a thing. But it's complicated.

Does anyone over the age of 35 understand this?:

 >> "I have vinyls in my room but it's more for decor. I don't actually play
them," Jordan Katende, a student in Manchester, told BBC News.
 >> "It gives me the old-school vibe. That's what vinyl's all about," he added.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-36027867

   BugBear (owner and user of a Roksan Xerces)
261666 Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> 2017‑02‑15 Re: A simple pine box
On Feb 14, 2017, at 7:11 PM, Thomas Conroy via OldTools  wrote:

> 
> Michael Suwczinsky wrote: "So the kid wanted a piece of furniture for her
room, to hold the record player in a very specific place, of a particular size
and to hold albums and art supplies
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/10735775@N.../31973001563/"
> 

Looks great, Michael.  My daughter is a blues singer and she made a vinyl record
a couple of years back.  It came with the CD in the same wrapper and it was
white in color.

Ed
261667 John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> 2017‑02‑15 Re: A simple pine box
Michael,

In addition to have handcrafted a piece perfectly suited to the space and the
context, you can also be proud of the part about your daughter having made a
measured drawing.  Not everyone is able to do that.
Your daughter had the "vision" of what she needed.  That's a vital factor that
must be in place for anything truly creative to come into being.
John Ruth
261668 Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> 2017‑02‑15 Re: A simple pine box
John

Not to be ornery or anything, but some of my best pieces had no drawing - they
just floated around in my head for a while

Ed Minch
261669 Claudio DeLorenzi <claudio@d...> 2017‑02‑15 Re: A simple pine box
New age CAD- Cartoon Assisted Dimensions
Works great!
Cheers
Claudio
261670 John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> 2017‑02‑15 Re: A simple pine box
Ed,

Vision does not have to be on paper!  "Just floating around in one's head for a
while" is still vision.

To complete a project, five things are required.  
1) Time
2) Tools
3) Skills
4) Materials
5) A vision in your head, _and in your heart_ of what you are trying to create.
Recording and refining this on paper can be a useful step, but it's not
absolutely necessary.

Some of the five can be purchased, but just having money is not the same as
having what you need; some materials and skilled labor are difficult to buy.

Sometimes the availability of certain materials drives vision.  We've all
experienced being inspired by an awesome hunk of wood.

You, Ed, are very, very clearly capable of a level vision that I, for one, lack!
That metal-front guitar proves it!

Design talent is hard to define, but the results are readily recognizable.  For
example, your guitars!

Not everyone has it.

John Ruth
261671 "Joseph Sullivan" <joe@j...> 2017‑02‑15 Re: A simple pine box
Well, I have a fair amount of vinyl, and some pre-vinyl made from shellac.
If I crank it up high enough, it gives me all the "vibe" I need and loosens
up the plaster to boot.

J

Joseph Sullivan
261672 Dragon List <dragon01list@g...> 2017‑02‑15 Re: A simple pine box
On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 1:32 AM, paul womack 
wrote:

> Oh yeah, they're a thing. But it's complicated.
>
> Does anyone over the age of 35 understand this?:
>
> >> "I have vinyls in my room but it's more for decor. I don't actually
> play them," Jordan Katende, a student in Manchester, told BBC News.
> >> "It gives me the old-school vibe. That's what vinyl's all about," he
> added.
>
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-36027867


not a bit of it.  what a silly thing.  vinyl is all about *the sound*.  and
analog through analog to analog is just the thing.

best,
bill
felton, ca
just say "lenco, rek-o-kut (3x), dual, garrard (2x) spread between the
house and the office"
261674 Derek Cohen <derekcohen@i...> 2017‑02‑16 Re: A simple pine box
Michael provides us with the information that vinyl lives in his home, and the
methods of building a box for albums …


Michael, vinyl lives on in my home as well! I have a dedicated vinyl set up -
one that has parts over 40 years old. It is based on a much modifed Thorens
TD150 (Oldie-but-Goldie). I have a short story about a turntable that fits in
well with the Old Tools philosophy: a few years ago, my wife and I were out for
a daily constitutional along the river at the bottom of our road, when I spied
part of a turntable lying at the kerb. Once every few months, each shire/council
has a junk collection day and residents toss out what they wish to be collected
by the garbos (garbage collectors for non-Australians). One of the swankier
homes in our area decided to toss out a part of a turntable. I recognised it as
a Rega 3. A little further down the road were some more parts.  As I progressed,
I collected all and could not believe my luck. Taking them home I discovered
that only the lacky band (elastic band for non-Australians) needed replacement.
These are Good turntables. Lucky me.

With regard to your build … first, my congrats on what you have done. 

Two points to look into next time. The first is when shooting, you may wish to
chamfer the rear of the board beforehand. This will prevent the spelching you
showed.

http://www.inthewoodshop.com/ShopMadeTools/Setting%20Up%20and%20Using%2
0a%20Shooting%20Board4_html_6da4ff98.jpg">http://www.inthewoodshop.com/ShopMadeT
ools/Setting%20Up%20and%20Using%20a%20Shooting%20Board4_html_6da4ff98.jpg

Secondly, the tearout when rebating was due to the edge of your blade not being
aligned with the nicker. And blades must be sharp when planing across grain.

Perfect alignment creates a clean edge first time …

http://www.inthewoodshop.com/Furniture/Raisingapanel_html_m6cc3658f.jpg

Alternately, plane just short of the line and finish with a shoulder plane.

Regards from Perth

Derek
261676 Michael Suwczinsky <nicknaylo@g...> 2017‑02‑16 Re: A simple pine box
Back in the day (late 70's, early 80's) we used to buy the vinyl, but to
preserve the grooves, , we would record our disks onto cassette tapes
(other ancient tech), play the tapes till they wore out, melted on the
dashboard, tangled into that mess that only a #2 pencil could fix. Then
record the album again.  I recall my smoked plexi covered turntable had a
dedicated cassette deck for this express purpose.

Looking back I think this had more to do with portability, but my friends
and I convinced ourselves of all sorts of silly notions back in our youth.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Dragon List  wrote:

> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 1:32 AM, paul womack 
> wrote:
>
> > Oh yeah, they're a thing. But it's complicated.
> >
> > Does anyone over the age of 35 understand this?:
> >
> > >> "I have vinyls in my room but it's more for decor. I don't actually
> > play them," Jordan Katende, a student in Manchester, told BBC News.
> > >> "It gives me the old-school vibe. That's what vinyl's all about," he
> > added.
> >
> > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-36027867
>
>
> not a bit of it.  what a silly thing.  vinyl is all about *the sound*.  and
> analog through analog to analog is just the thing.
>
> best,
> bill
> felton, ca
> just say "lenco, rek-o-kut (3x), dual, garrard (2x) spread between the
> house and the office"
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-- 
Michael Suwczinsky
261677 Michael Suwczinsky <nicknaylo@g...> 2017‑02‑16 Re: A simple pine box
Thank you Derek, for the tip on alignment of the rabbet plane iron and
nicker.  I'd fiddled with the plane for a bit, and blamed my materials more
than my set up.  In the end, your follow up suggestion is what worked for
me. Planing a bit short of the lines and finishing up with side rabbett and
shoulder planes.

The kid loves the vinyl, says she can hear the music better. At just under
the age of majority here in the US, she has never actually "owned" a
physical object that equates with music.

On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 9:56 PM, Derek Cohen 
wrote:

> Michael provides us with the information that vinyl lives in his home, and
> the methods of building a box for albums …
>
>
> Michael, vinyl lives on in my home as well! I have a dedicated vinyl set
> up - one that has parts over 40 years old. It is based on a much modifed
> Thorens TD150 (Oldie-but-Goldie). I have a short story about a turntable
> that fits in well with the Old Tools philosophy: a few years ago, my wife
> and I were out for a daily constitutional along the river at the bottom of
> our road, when I spied part of a turntable lying at the kerb. Once every
> few months, each shire/council has a junk collection day and residents toss
> out what they wish to be collected by the garbos (garbage collectors for
> non-Australians). One of the swankier homes in our area decided to toss out
> a part of a turntable. I recognised it as a Rega 3. A little further down
> the road were some more parts.  As I progressed, I collected all and could
> not believe my luck. Taking them home I discovered that only the lacky band
> (elastic band for non-Australians) needed replacement. These are Good
> turntables. Lucky me.
>
> With regard to your build … first, my congrats on what you have done.
>
> Two points to look into next time. The first is when shooting, you may
> wish to chamfer the rear of the board beforehand. This will prevent the
> spelching you showed.
>
> http://www.inthewoodshop.com/ShopMadeTools/Setting%20Up%
> 20and%20Using%20a%20Shooting%20Board4_html_6da4ff98.jpg
>
> Secondly, the tearout when rebating was due to the edge of your blade not
> being aligned with the nicker. And blades must be sharp when planing across
> grain.
>
> Perfect alignment creates a clean edge first time …
>
> http://www.inthewoodshop.com/Furniture/Raisingapanel_html_m6cc3658f.jpg
>
> Alternately, plane just short of the line and finish with a shoulder plane.
>
> Regards from Perth
>
> Derek
>
>
>


-- 
Michael Suwczinsky
261678 John Holladay <docholladay0820@g...> 2017‑02‑16 Re: A simple pine box
Apparently, it is becoming a thing to go back to vinyl recording media.
Recently, one of my sons (21 years old) has gotten into vinyl records.  He
wanted a turntable for Christmas.  ​Personally, I don't get it, but to each
his own.

Doc


On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Michael Suwczinsky 
wrote:

> Back in the day (late 70's, early 80's) we used to buy the vinyl, but to
> preserve the grooves, , we would record our disks onto cassette tapes
> (other ancient tech), play the tapes till they wore out, melted on the
> dashboard, tangled into that mess that only a #2 pencil could fix. Then
> record the album again.  I recall my smoked plexi covered turntable had a
> dedicated cassette deck for this express purpose.
>
> Looking back I think this had more to do with portability, but my friends
> and I convinced ourselves of all sorts of silly notions back in our youth.
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 9:56 AM, Dragon List 
> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 1:32 AM, paul womack 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Oh yeah, they're a thing. But it's complicated.
> > >
> > > Does anyone over the age of 35 understand this?:
> > >
> > > >> "I have vinyls in my room but it's more for decor. I don't actually
> > > play them," Jordan Katende, a student in Manchester, told BBC News.
> > > >> "It gives me the old-school vibe. That's what vinyl's all about," he
> > > added.
> > >
> > > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-36027867
> >
> >
> > not a bit of it.  what a silly thing.  vinyl is all about *the sound*.
> and
> > analog through analog to analog is just the thing.
> >
> > best,
> > bill
> > felton, ca
> > just say "lenco, rek-o-kut (3x), dual, garrard (2x) spread between the
> > house and the office"
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > OldTools is a mailing list catering to the interests of hand tool
> > aficionados, both collectors and users, to discuss the history, usage,
> > value, location, availability, collectibility, and restoration of
> > traditional handtools, especially woodworking tools.
> >
> > To change your subscription options:
> > https://oldtools.swingleydev.com/mailman/listinfo/oldtools
> >
> > To read the FAQ:
> > https://swingleydev.com/archive/faq.html
> >
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> >
> > OldTools@s...
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Michael Suwczinsky
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> value, location, availability, collectibility, and restoration of
> traditional handtools, especially woodworking tools.
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>



-- 
John Holladay
DocHolladay0820@g...
205-229-8484
261679 Rock Harris <nombre7@g...> 2017‑02‑16 Re: A simple pine box
Might not even be out of the realm of probabilities.

The younger folks these days don't even get CDs anymore, (usually) only MP3s,
which is an inferior, lossy format....

This thread is relevant to me because I plan on making a slew of shelves (book
and otherwise), and the pointers are very helpful.

rock harris
lesser programming deity, tyro woodworker, and aficionado of obsolete machinery
314.221.5941

sent from my BatPhone....
261687 Nick Jonkman <njonkman@x...> 2017‑02‑16 Re: A simple pine box
I started buying records in the mid 50's. I would be surprised if there 
are not more than 500 in my collection. Mostly country. Many single 45s 
and mostly albums. About 50 or more 78s such as Gene Autry, Wilf Carter, 
Bing Crosby and even one of Johnny Cash with Teenage Queen which may be 
quite rare.
  have many CDs too but still enjoy many of the vinyls.

My grand son now about 22 loves my vinyl collection.

I even bought a turntable to hook to my computer so I can load them onto 
my computer and with software I have installed I can remove noises , 
clicks etc and record them onto CDs to make up my own albums if I want 
to for portability.

Nick

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