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261327 "Joseph Sullivan" <joe@j...> 2017‑01‑17 Perfection in thick stock
Friends:

The nifty little Starret depth gauge I found riding in the micrometer box is
a Starret 46.  There seem to be quite a few available on-line for quite a
wide range of process from about $18 to about $60.  They appear to be just
the ticket for feeling out half-blinds as discussed.

NOW,

I just mostly repaired another Starret tool; a compass attachment for a
square.  They have uber-tight tolerances, and this one had frozen up.
Applications of Kroil did not work.  I finally cleaned it in my ultrasound
for a while, then applied Kroil, then tapped gently on a block of wood until
the inner part started to work loose.  More Kroil, more tapping and I had
it.  

Cleaned up, it now works like new.  However, the retainer screws are lost,
and I buggered up the screw stud that hooks onto the ruler, and lack a knurl
for same.

Any ideas on where to find such parts?

J




Joseph Sullivan
261328 Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> 2017‑01‑17 Re: Perfection in thick stock
Joe

Sounds near impossible.  If this is the protractor head with the round part that
spins inside of the round cavity, I have a couple here I could hook you up with.
One is in the box!

Ed Minch
261338 "Joseph Sullivan" <joe@j...> 2017‑01‑17 Re: Perfection in thick stock
SNIP
Joe

Sounds near impossible.  If this is the protractor head with the round part
that spins inside of the round cavity, I have a couple here I could hook you
up with.  One is in the box!

Ed Minch

END SNIP

Ed:

Very kind of you to offer, but I have two other functioning protractor heads
(yes that is the name, not compass).  This one was just a renovation
challenge.

Cheers!

Joe
261340 Kirk Eppler <eppler.kirk@g...> 2017‑01‑17 Re: Perfection in thick stock
Starrett parts available online, per their FAQ.  Older tools you may need
to call them

http://www.starrett.com/about/faq

I can't load the 3D viewer on my phone to verify if 46 parts are
available.  But one of mine is missing a screw too.
261341 "Joseph Sullivan" <joe@j...> 2017‑01‑17 Re: Perfection in thick stock
SNIP

 

Starrett parts available online, per their FAQ.  Older tools you may need to
call them

 

http://www.starrett.com/about/faq

 

I can't load the 3D viewer on my phone to verify if 46 parts are available.  But
one of mine is missing a screw too.

 

END SNIP 

 

Thanks Kirk.  Good information.  I’ll certainly see what they have. For what it
is worth, I think we may all be missing screws to do this stuff, but onwards we
go, eh?

 

Joe

 

Joseph Sullivan
261342 Erik Levin 2017‑01‑17 Re: Perfection in thick stock
Joseph Sullivan inquired:> Cleaned up, it now works like new.  However, the
retainer screws are lost,
> and I buggered up the screw stud that hooks onto the ruler, and lack a knurl
> for same.

> Any ideas on where to find such parts?Starrett is very good with the older
parts, when available. I have contacted them several times via the online
contact on the product page (it goes with product info to the appropriate reps).
The reps have been very
helpful, and have been good at tracking down parts for outdated versions, when
they are available. I ampretty sure that a micrometer part actually came from
someones own stash, as it was wrapped in an interofficememo with routing from
the shop to the reps desk and comments that match, rather than the conventional
envelope.

For parts that have changed over the years, I have been asked for exact
measurements of features to identifythe correct item, and can only think of one
time when no part or information was available. I found the informationelsewhere
and made the part, but the tool was pre-1900 so I didn't expect parts on the
shelf (though I would nothave been surprised)
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261353 Erik Levin 2017‑01‑17 Re: Perfection in thick stock
Mark Pfeifer noted (off list):

>I have a really inconvenient double-jointed arm doohickey that has a fixture on
the end with a 6” magnifying>glass and a light bulb……and what I realized a
couple weeks back is that my sharpening skills haven’t eroded.>I wasn’t seeing
the wire edge by naked eye under regular lighting. Now I sharpen under the
dohicky and
>suddenly I’m a talented edge producer again.

>I picked up a Stanley saw set with a built in magnifying lens but it’s not
great. The lens gets dirty and there’s not
>a lot of light inside the work area. So I bought a really gorgeous and I
believe ancient “file type” saw set where>you don’t pinch, you twist. Haven’t
summoned up the courage to use it yet.

And inquired:
>What’s a cheater? "Mag on a stick” is that the same as my double jointed
doohickey?

As age and decrepitude have set in, I have moved from basic magnification used
in the engineering world to a variety of aids. They include:

Cheaters: several strengths of reading glasses. About $1 a pair. Also, cheater
safety glasses are available, and really handy. I also  have for the welding
shield, but can no longer find on the shelf, stick on cheater lenses for the
inside of the shield, meant for making instant bifocals out of you regular
glasses.

Magnifier-on-a-stick: typical 6 or 8" lens with a light on the jointed lamp
stand. I think I have a full half dozen of them (one is at work on an IV stand
to make it portable). I have both ring light and standard bulb versions. They
are useful for different things. I find the highest magnification ones to give
too much distortion, so I tend toward the lower mag, as the light on the work
makes a big difference, and if I need more mag, then the cheaters go on. The
ones smaller than 3" don't do it for me. I don't get clear binocular vision
through them.

Optivisor is one brand of headband magnifier. They are among the better,
optically. Most industrial suppliers have them or equivalent (McMaster, MSC,
Grainger, etc). The cheapies are not as good as the dollar store reading
glasses. The good ones are much better. The best are made for surgical use, and
are out of my league pricewise.

I also use jewelers loupes (labelled as 3X and 5X, most often) and magnifiers
that clip onto regular glasses. Old school Bausch and Lomb are my preferred.

In addition, a low power binocular microscope is a heavy use tool for me, but
that is the nature of what I do. Not much old tools use, other than the
occasional photo via the camera, but when I need to do things like hand solder
0.005" wires to a damaged circuit board or IC, it is invaluable.

I have never found the small magnifiers built into tools to be very useful, as
they are never in the right place and they get too dirty. Some people love them.
I don't.
These are, of course, in addition to the measuring and inspection tools I have
used throughout my career, such as a couple measuring microscopes (portable and
bench), measuring loupes (like printers used to use... the reticle just about
touches the surface being examined), and surface magnifiers mounted to vernier
scales (I make my own from acrylic bars that used to be sold for reading the
phonebook)
Ya, I have a problem....
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    On Tuesday, January 17, 2017 4:05 PM, Mark Pfeifer  wrote:
 

 OOOOBoy tell me more Erik, please?

Optivisor I think I get. 

I have a really inconvenient double-jointed arm doohickey that has a fixture on
the end with a 6” magnifying glass and a light bulb……and what I realized a
couple weeks back is that my sharpening skills haven’t eroded. I wasn’t seeing
the wire edge by naked eye under regular lighting. Now I sharpen under the
dohicky and suddenly I’m a talented edge producer again.

I picked up a Stanley saw set with a built in magnifying lens but it’s not
great. The lens gets dirty and there’s not a lot of light inside the work area.
So I bought a really gorgeous and I believe ancient “file type” saw set where
you don’t pinch, you twist. Haven’t summoned up the courage to use it yet.

What’s a cheater? "Mag on a stick” is that the same as my double jointed
doohickey?




> On Jan 15, 2017, at 9:59 PM, Erik Levin via OldTools  wrote:
> 
> Mark Pfeifer ruminated:
>> So many lessons on this one. (I also discovered with this project that my
>> eyesight is no longer good enough up close for really precise work.)
> 
> Welcome to the world of cheaters, optivisors, and magnifiers on a stick. I
have 6 lighted mags on a stick at this point, between the shop and the office.
And loupes, a coup;re microscopes, several strengths of cheater at home, work,
and in the truck, and...
> 
> With the right tool, I can still hand solder on 0.5mm lead spacing. I don't
like to, but I can. And did yesterday.
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261354 Don Schwartz <dks@t...> 2017‑01‑17 Re: Perfection in thick stock
On 2017-01-17 5:49 PM, Erik Levin via OldTools wrote:
> Mark Pfeifer noted (off list):
>
>> >I have a really inconvenient double-jointed arm doohickey that has a fixture
on the end with a 6” magnifying>glass and a light bulb……and what I realized a
couple weeks back is that my sharpening skills haven’t eroded.>I wasn’t seeing
the wire edge by naked eye under regular lighting. Now I sharpen under the
dohicky and
>> >suddenly I’m a talented edge producer again.

Along with the optivisor and prescription safety glasses, I have found 
that LED tubes and spotlights arre incredibly helpful at the sharpening 
bench.

Don

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261355 "John M Johnston (jmjhnstn)" <jmjhnstn@m...> 2017‑01‑18 Re: Perfection in thick stock
My dentist and periodontist both use a very small light attached to the bridge
of their eye glasses, and run by a battery pack on the belt. I have never seen a
set up like that before.

Cheers,
John

John M. Johnston
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On 2017-01-17 5:49 PM, Erik Levin via OldTools wrote:
> Mark Pfeifer noted (off list):
>
>> >I have a really inconvenient double-jointed arm doohickey that has a 
>> >fixture on the end with a 6” magnifying>glass and a light bulb……and what I
realized a couple weeks back is that my sharpening skills haven’t eroded.>I
wasn’t seeing the wire edge by naked eye under regular lighting. Now I sharpen
under the dohicky and suddenly I’m a talented edge producer again.

Along with the optivisor and prescription safety glasses, I have found that LED
tubes and spotlights arre incredibly helpful at the sharpening bench.

Don

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261356 Don Schwartz <dks@t...> 2017‑01‑18 Re: Perfection in thick stock
On 2017-01-17 7:25 PM, John M Johnston (jmjhnstn) wrote:
> My dentist and periodontist both use a very small light attached to the bridge
of their eye glasses, and run by a battery pack on the belt. I have never seen a
set up like that before.
>
> Cheers,
> John
google 'optivisor light'. There are several options for attached lighting.

Don

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