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230876 "Adam R. Maxwell" <amaxwell@m...> 2012‑06‑10 project progress & question
GGs,

I'm way behind on this project of building a couple of simple cabinets
for the house (big surprise, right?).  So far, I've got carcases done
for the pair, all using hand tools:

http://maxwells.smugmug.com/Hobbies/Woodworking/23483144_SwP79b

It's quartersawn red oak.  The back is tulip poplar, resawn to 3/8"
with an old Disston #7 and tongue-and-grooved with a Stanley #49.  The
beading on the back was done with a H. Chapin 1/4" center bead plane.
The half blind and sliding dovetails aren't quite up to par, but will
work fine.  The doors will be a frame-and-panel, rectangular on the
outside, but with an arched panel and top rail.

My dilemma is in deciding whether to add a face frame or not, with the
doors outside of the carcase.  I guess I could also do something like
add cock beading around the edge of the carcase and set the doors
inside, so the front of the door is flush with the front of the carcase,
but I think I'd screw that up.

Any suggestions, particularly on how this would have been done in the
old days (i.e., when everyone did this with hand tools)?  Even better,
any recommendations for books that talk about stuff like this?  I have
Brough's "Cabinet Construction" and Wearing's "Essential Woodworker."

thanks,
Adam
Port Angeles, WA

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230882 Kirk Eppler <eppler.kirk@g...> 2012‑06‑10 Re: project progress & question
Nice use of the beer bottle for scale.

I think the frame no frame decision goes with style around it, where is it
going, what does the rest of your house look like, etc.

I have always thought of frameless as european or more modern, framed being
more traditional.  So, if your house has an 1884 pedigree, I think I'd go
framed.

Kirk from the droid, on a beautiful day in Half Moon Bay

On Jun 10, 2012 5:27 PM, "Adam R. Maxwell"  wrote:
>
> http://maxwells.smugmug.com/Hobbies/Woodworking/23483144_SwP79b

> My dilemma is in deciding whether to add a face frame or not, with the
> doors outside of the carcase.  I guess I could also do something like
> add cock beading around the edge of the carcase and set the doors
> inside, so the front of the door is flush with the front of the carcase,
> but I think I'd screw that up.
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230913 Chuck Taylor <cft98208@y...> 2012‑06‑11 Re: project progress & question
Adam, you wrote:

=========== snip ============
So far, I've got carcases done for the pair, all using hand tools:

http://maxwells.smugmug.com/Hobbies/Woodworking/23483144_SwP79b

It's quartersawn red oak.
===========snip ============
Those are might fine looking sliding dovetails! I seem to remember
something about you making a dovetail plane out of another plane some
time back. Is that what you used here?

Cheers,

Chuck Taylor on the other side of Puget Sound from Adam
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230921 "Adam R. Maxwell" <amaxwell@m...> 2012‑06‑12 Re: project progress & question
Hi Chuck,

On Jun 11, 2012, at 20:40 , Chuck Taylor  wrote:

> Adam, you wrote:
>
> =========== snip ============> So far, I've got carcases done for the
> =========== pair, all using hand tools:
>
> http://maxwells.smugmug.com/Hobbies/Woodworking/23483144_SwP79b
>
> It's quartersawn red oak.
> ===========snip ============>
> Those are might fine looking sliding dovetails! I seem to remember
> something about you making a dovetail plane out of another plane some
> time back. Is that what you used here?

Sure enough! That plane was made from a Sandusky 3/4" skew rebate. This
time around, I modified it further by nailing on a longer depth stop,
since I've had problems with it diving at the end. Sadly, my sliding
dovetails still take more tweaking than I'd like, and I ended up going
from too tight to too loose on a couple of them.

Adam west of Chuck in PA, WA

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230924 "Adam R. Maxwell" <amaxwell@m...> 2012‑06‑12 Re: project progress & question
On Jun 10, 2012, at 18:14 , Kirk Eppler  wrote:

> Nice use of the beer bottle for scale.

It's a frame of reference a lot of us understand...

> > I think the frame no frame decision goes with style around it, where is it g
oing, what does the rest of your house look like, etc.
> 
> > I have always thought of frameless as european or more modern, framed being 
more traditional.  So, if your house has an 1884 pedigree, I think I'd go framed
.

A couple others have suggested that offlist, as well.  For the
record, it's a rental house built in 2004, and the cabinets are
particle board with oak face frames.  If framed is more traditional,
though, that works out all around.

thanks,
Adam

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