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Galoots,

It's been a bit of a hiatus from the list...but, back in the saddle again
with some saws for your review.  Every night this week I'll be uploading
some inventory to the web.  Tonight some #16s went up.  You can check them
out at:  http://www.vintagesaws.com/16/16.html
<http://www.vintagesaws.com/16/16.html> 

There's lots of other good stuff at:  http://www.vintagesaws.com
<http://www.vintagesaws.com>   Be sure to check out the library and nose
around a bit.  

So, now that the crass commercialism is out of the way...how about some
discussion on saws....?


Pete Taran
Vintage Saws on the web at:
http://www.vintagesaws.com

Pete asks for some discussion on saws:

I would like to know what the problem is with my 10 point crosscut.  As
I am cutting along a line, the saw starts to cut toward the right, and
in 6 inches will be about 1/16" away from the line.  Nothing will stop
it from doing this.  None of my other crosscuts do this.  I do not
sharpen my own saws, I have a local professional do it.  He has done
about 25 saws for me and all of them are fine except this one.  He says
what I am telling him is impossible.  Is there anythng I can do to
correct this?  We are talking about a very nice old Disston here.  I
would hate to give up on it.

Jim Thompson

--- Jim Thompson <jimbono@w... wrote:
> Pete asks for some discussion on saws:
> 
> I would like to know what the problem is with my 10
> point crosscut.  As
> I am cutting along a line, the saw starts to cut
> toward the right, and
> in 6 inches will be about 1/16" away from the line. 
> 

I am only repeating what I've heard other, more
knowledgeable folks say - I've never done this.  But
this sounds like a symptom of uneven sharpening
(assuming the blade is straight, of course).  I have
read that a few strokes along the right side (the side
towards which it wanders) of your saw with a stone
(fine grit?) would stop this from happening.  I think
you're supposed to sneak up on the correct dulling,
i.e. take a couple of strokes, try the saw, if it
still pulls, take another couple of strokes.  Maybe
somebody that really knows will pipe in here.  HTH

- Mike

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Jim--
I had a problem like this one on two different saws (one a Quaker City Saw, the
other a Disston).  On the first saw the set was larger on one side, causing it
to pull towards that side.  That was fixed by running a stone along the proud
side.  On the other saw, the teeth with "left" set were all filed a little bit
shorter than the teeth with "right" set.  This caused the saw to pull towards
the right.  The way I fixed that was to joint the teeth and resharpen. --Jason


>Pete asks for some discussion on saws:
>
>I would like to know what the problem is with my 10 point crosscut.  As
>I am cutting along a line, the saw starts to cut toward the right, and
>in 6 inches will be about 1/16" away from the line.  Nothing will stop
>it from doing this.  None of my other crosscuts do this.  I do not
>sharpen my own saws, I have a local professional do it.  He has done
>about 25 saws for me and all of them are fine except this one.  He says
>what I am telling him is impossible.  Is there anythng I can do to
>correct this?  We are talking about a very nice old Disston here.  I
>would hate to give up on it.
>
>Jim Thompson
>
>--

>
> I would like to know what the problem is with my 10 point
crosscut.  As
> I am cutting along a line, the saw starts to cut toward
the right, and
> in 6 inches will be about 1/16" away from the line.
Nothing will stop
> it from doing this.

Jim,
The teeth on the right side of your saw have more set than
the left.  It makes the saw turn right.  Lay the saw on your
bench and run an oilstone along the teeth on the right side
to take some of the length off the teeth.  Two passes will
probably do it.  Try the saw.  That's a normal part of the
sharpening job and this sort of fix is commonly needed.  So
far as your saw sharpener thinking it's impossible, he
probably doesn't use handsaws as much as he sharpens them.
Helps when you're diagnosing problems.

Erik von Sneidern
The Disstonian Institute -- Online Reference for Disston
Handsaws
http://home.earthlink.net/~enrico62/Index.html

Galoots,

The cause for this can be two fold.  First, the teeth on one side may be
higher than the other, causing the high side to cut more aggressively.  This
sometimes causes a saw to pull to one side when the sawyer is doing his best
to keep it tracking straight.  By far, however, the most common reason for
this is one side is set more than the other.  When I was making the IT saws,
I set them with an automatic tooth setter.  Often, the teeth on one side
would have more set than the teeth on the other.  Since we were only talking
about .006" total set, it was easy to do.  To correct the problem, I tapped
out the offending teeth with a small ball peen hammer with a domed face.  I
just put the saw on a flat anvil, and did a gentle tap, tap, tapping (much
like the raven) along the edge.  If you are careful, and tap straight down,
the teeth won't be dulled in the process.  An easier method is to take a
medium India stone and lightly rub the edge of the teeth on the side that is
causing the pull.  When you do it, cock the angle of the stone a few degrees
so you are only hitting the upper third of the teeth.  I've read dire
predictions from others if you do this, but, the several thousand I've
doctored in this manner seemed to be just fine.

Hope this helps,

Pete Taran
NEW! Vintage Saws on the web nightly at:
http://www.vintagesaws.com

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Jim Thompson [mailto:jimbono@w...
Sent:	Tuesday, June 05, 2001 7:55 AM
To:	hd1840@d...
Cc:	Oldtools
Subject:	Re: FS:  Saws

Pete asks for some discussion on saws:

I would like to know what the problem is with my 10 point crosscut.  As
I am cutting along a line, the saw starts to cut toward the right, and
in 6 inches will be about 1/16" away from the line.  Nothing will stop
it from doing this.  None of my other crosscuts do this.  I do not
sharpen my own saws, I have a local professional do it.  He has done
about 25 saws for me and all of them are fine except this one.  He says
what I am telling him is impossible.  Is there anythng I can do to
correct this?  We are talking about a very nice old Disston here.  I
would hate to give up on it.

Jim Thompson