Gentle galoots,

I am curious to know if anyone is going to build the project.  The response
has been underwhelming, to say the least.

Personally, I am going to start on this sawtill out of Red Oak.  I did a
prototype out of pine, and it will be given away to my favorite tool
dealer(Hi Mike!).

The Galoot sawtill plans are available at:

Website address:
http://www.shavings.net/sawtill.html

The file itself(for folks that want to save it to disk):
http://www.shavings.net/sawtill.doc

Sam Peterson
Columbia, MO

Wonder not Sam. I intend to build the project just as soon as I get through
the list of other "minor" projects. My saws occupy a holder made with 2x4s
and hang on a wall. OK but no prize either. Thanks for the effort of putting
this together, building a prototype to check it out, and posting all on the
Web. I am sure many are most appreciative. Here in Idaho, I will probably
use soft Maple or Alder for the Till. Can't wait to get started but I have a
few "started" but not terminated other projects first...unfortunately.
Russ Ellsworth

>
> I am curious to know if anyone is going to build the project

>Hi Sam and GG's,

>I am curious to know if anyone is going to build the project.  The response
>has been underwhelming, to say the least.

I wonder if other galoots are like me................  I am inspired
by the notion of building a saw till, and I like this one, but it
dosn't fit my needs.  If I were to include the drawer part, I would
make a few rows of drawers.  If I were to leave the drawer section
off, the aesthetics of the rack are negatively impacted.  Also, I
would make it narrower and for fewer saws.  I have about 7 full size
saws (Disston fingerhole rip, Acme 120 for smooth cutting, and a
range of Atkins crosscuts in various tpi plus a shorter panel saw.
Add my 6-8 tenon and dovetail saws, and that's it.  A rack this size
would always look empty in my shop.

The rack that was designed is very attractive and looks very
functional;  great design and a very helpful project;  well done and
much appreciated.  Kudos to all who worked to make it available.  One
day I will have a go at getting mine built, and I will pull up the
plans and modify from there.

Regards and

thanks to all

Tom

From: Esther Heller
Well it is a definite addition to the round tuit list but some
other stuff is ahead in the queue.  I do have a question, how
do you cut the kerf holder kerfs?  I cobbled together some scrap
stuff between the studs in the dividing wall in my basement, and have
a serious problem getting a fat enough kerf that the kerf will slide
in easily.  But if you jostle anything pulling one saw, 3 others
leap out at you, I was very glad to be wearing safety glasses as
things hit me in the face....

Unrelated geek question, how did you generate the dwgs and get them
into MS word?  Looks like you used some sort of serious CAD type
package.  And is that completed view by any chance isometric?

If I build one of these, does that mean the number of saws I own
will expend to fill it?  ;-)  ;-)

Esther eoh@k...

eoh@k... wrote:
> From: Esther Heller
>
> Well it is a definite addition to the round tuit list but some
> other stuff is ahead in the queue.  I do have a question, how
> do you cut the kerf holder kerfs?  I cobbled together some scrap
> stuff between the studs in the dividing wall in my basement, and have
> a serious problem getting a fat enough kerf that the kerf will slide
> in easily.

I'm really glad Esther asked this question, because --aside from my
interest in the saw till-- this is something I've wondered about for
awhile without coming up with any remotely elegant (or even useful) way to
do this.

In short, what's a good galootish way to make "2-kerf-wide" [or
"N-kerf-wide"] kerf?

I can sort of imagine how one might do it if there was a table saw or some
such available.  And I can't help but imagine that there's a standard-ish
old-timey way of doing this.  But durned if I know how.

Thanks
Nichael

Gentle galoots,

What I would do is determine the spacing I wanted.  Lets say 1 1/2 inches
between each saw.  Saw blocks all the way through on my miterbox, and then
glue these to a backer board.  Use a shim to get the consistent space for
each kerf.  Esther brings up a good point about saws tumbling out on you.  I
put a string(or bungee, catgut, etc..) across the top, in about the same
place as the kerfed board to prevent any accidents.

>>  I do have a question, how do you cut the kerf holder kerfs?

The great pic's are the hard work of Jim Thoreson.  It was actually a great
experience working with him, and wouldn't have been possible 5 years ago.

>>  Unrelated geek question, how did you generate the dwgs and get them into
MS word?  Looks like you used some sort of serious CAD type package.  And is
that completed view by any chance isometric?

Sam wants to know:
> I am curious to know if anyone is going to build the project.

Absolutely I am, unless something really weird happens.  All my
saws are in boxes or hanging on nails right now - a despicable
state.

I am thinking of making it a bit narrower, though.  After all, if I build
it I will have to stock it, right?  I only have three full sized handsaws
right now and that's almost enough for me.  So maybe I will make it
with room enough for five or ten.  The plans seem very suited to this
modification.

I want to thank everybody who put the time in on this.  It's the
elegant sawtill of the world, so it is.  I can hardly wait to get at it.

-Bob Key.

> If I build one of these, does that mean the number of saws I own
> will expend to fill it?  ;-)  ;-)

  One of the unwritten laws of the universe states:    Your stuff will
always exceed your storage/display space by at least 25%
So, yes, dear Esther, if you build it, they will come
    yours,   Scott
*******************************
   Scott Grandstaff
   Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca  96039
   Scottg@s...

>> If I build one of these, does that mean the number of saws I own
>> will expend to fill it?  ;-)  ;-)

My experience says the surest way to maximally increase the number is make
storage that exactly fits your current needs.

N

From: Esther Heller
Scott answered me:
> If I build one of these, does that mean the number of saws I own
> will expend to fill it?  ;-)  ;-)

  One of the unwritten laws of the universe states:    Your stuff will
always exceed your storage/display space by at least 25%
So, yes, dear Esther, if you build it, they will come
    yours,   Scott

Well that explains why with 15' of 6' tall bookcases, with a few
smaller furniture sized bookcases, a bookcase is ahead in the queue ;-)

Esther eoh@k...

> I'm really glad Esther asked this question, because --aside from my
> interest in the saw till-- this is something I've wondered about for
> awhile without coming up with any remotely elegant (or even useful) way to
> do this.
>
> In short, what's a good galootish way to make "2-kerf-wide" [or
> "N-kerf-wide"] kerf?

For all but your widest set saw, the answer is to cut the kerf
with your widest kerf saw.

A dovetail saw will fit happily into the kerf left by a 2 man
cross cut.

        BugBear.

        (come to thing of it, most things will fit
        into the kerf left by a 2 man cross cut)

----- End Included Message -----

Bob wrote:

>I am thinking of making it a bit narrower, though.  After all, if I build
>it I will have to stock it, right?  I only have three full sized handsaws
>right now and that's almost enough for me. So maybe I will make it
>with room enough for five or ten.  The plans seem very suited to this
>modification.

And Bob reveals that he has a partially crippled Accumulator gene. Do not
despair, we here at the Support Group From Hell are ready to help you.
The Accumulator gene is activated by a combination of WD40 fumes and
rust. You just need to increase your exposure to these environmental
factors. Soon you'll stop wanting to build benches and other useful
things. Your online time will ramp up remarkably as you endlessly search
Ebay for 'bargains'. You'll compulsively scan the classified ads section
for auctions and garage sales. The local flea market will call to you
every weekend; like a siren call, an itch that doesn't stay scratched...

Saws? Saws will appear as never before. You'll hate to pass up that good
deal, that orphaned tool, the Disston and Sons #12 with the wheat-carved
handle and the full blade. Soon you'll be assigning saws to your family
members (never mind why you think a child needs a dozen D-8's). You'll be
able to spot and distinguish between the various Disston models by handle
shape at 100 feet across a crowded flea market. You'll start mentally
collating your own list of uses for the nib. You'll smile knowingly as
you read newbie questions concerning how best to raise logos on saw
blades. You'll know at least five methods for removing recalcitrant saw
nuts. You won't be able to use your bench(es) for all of the saws stacked
on them and under them. You'll store saws in closets and under your bed
and dressers...

So take a hit off that WD40 and sand some rust from an old saw blade.
Make that saw till extra wide. Double, triple-wide. Go for it.

Next time we'll talk chisels.
****************************
Tom Price (TomPrice@a...)
Will Work For Tools
Excerpts From The 1942 Disston Saw Manual are on The Galoot's Progress:
http://members.aol.com/tomprice/galootp/galtprog.html

On Thu, 23 Sep 1999 08:06:53 -0500 "Peterson, Samuel L."
<PetersonS@m...> writes:
> Gentle galoots,
>
> I am curious to know if anyone is going to build the project.  The
> response has been underwhelming, to say the least.
>

        I'm going to build one soon.  Just the size you have desingned.
Price, on the other hand, is scaling up for the Wall O' Saws.

Regards,
Steve

Peterson, Samuel L. wrote:
>What I would do is determine the spacing I wanted.  Lets say 1 1/2 inches
>between each saw.  Saw blocks all the way through on my miterbox, and then
>glue these to a backer board.  Use a shim to get the consistent space for
>each kerf.  Esther brings up a good point about saws tumbling out on you.  I
>put a string(or bungee, catgut, etc..) across the top, in about the same
>place as the kerfed board to prevent any accidents.

Aha!  You can always tell a good idea because it seems so obvious once
someone 'splains it to you.

Doing it this way (as opposed to, say, my ham-handed xtrawide kerf
approach) also has the advantage that you could --if you wanted to get
fancy-- maybe slip in a spring-loaded catch or perhaps a magnet in each
notch to help hold the saws in place.

N

Sam Peterson wrote:

>I am curious to know if anyone is going to build the project.  The response
>has been underwhelming, to say the least.

I will probably hack something out someday. At least I'd like to - I ain't
promising anything at this point. I've got way too many other projects
already at some point in the pipeline (most are at the head end waiting to
enter the pipe...)

- Bill

Steve Reynolds (he of the aircraft-carrier sized maple bench behemoth)
wrote:

> I'm going to build one soon.  Just the size you have desingned.
>Price, on the other hand, is scaling up for the Wall O' Saws.

Scaling up? That's an understatement. He'd have to triple the size of that
thing to hold what he had last time I saw it...

I, on the other hand, will only have to multiply by 2.5....

;-)

- Bill

nichael@s... writes:

<< perhaps a magnet in each notch to help hold the saws  >>

Nichael and other Gentle Ones,

I don't know if I would use a magnet....  it could magnetize the saw blade
which might then pick up any iron filings (from your SS efforts) and then
spoil a real sweet piece of wood you were sawing by leaving the dreaded black
streaks.  Just my 2 cents....  still out in Nukeville.....   missing all the
auction fun back east.....

Matt Glass - NYCity Galoot

Is there a way to cant the shelf to imcrease the stability of the saw in
storage?

----------
> From: Nichael Cramer <nichael@s...>
> To: PetersonS@m...; oldtools@l...
> Cc: 'eoh@k...'
> Subject: RE: Sawtill plans: Who is going to build one?
> Date: Thursday, September 23, 1999 6:32 PM
>
> Peterson, Samuel L. wrote:
> >What I would do is determine the spacing I wanted.  Lets say 1 1/2
inches
> >between each saw.  Saw blocks all the way through on my miterbox, and
then
> >glue these to a backer board.  Use a shim to get the consistent space
for
> >each kerf.  Esther brings up a good point about saws tumbling out on
you.  I
> >put a string(or bungee, catgut, etc..) across the top, in about the same
> >place as the kerfed board to prevent any accidents.
>
> Aha!  You can always tell a good idea because it seems so obvious once
> someone 'splains it to you.
>
> Doing it this way (as opposed to, say, my ham-handed xtrawide kerf
> approach) also has the advantage that you could --if you wanted to get
> fancy-- maybe slip in a spring-loaded catch or perhaps a magnet in each
> notch to help hold the saws in place.
>
> N
>
> --
>

>Gentle galoots,
>
>I am curious to know if anyone is going to build the project.  The response
>has been underwhelming, to say the least.
>

With the rate of project completion (and the huge number
of incomplete projects to my credit) I'm usually a bit reticent
about declaring yet another project start.  However, you've flushed
me out.   The plans have been printed and will be tacked to the
shop wall.

I'll probably only do a 2 panel version however.

Thanks for putting this thing together.   It looks
like a real nice plan.

Howard Chandler
Mandeville,  LA

I, for one, am very excited about the prospects of starting this Galoot
project, and in a quick and timely fashion!  Why, I even know what color I'm
going to paint my Shaker table!

        -Steve, who at this rate won't need to worry about the Y2K bug until
2004, I'm that far behind.

P.S. - Did any of y'all get my dado plane WTB?  Lookin' for
userwoodiedadoplanes, pref. 3/4"

Greetings from due north.

MEE TOO!  Thanks to the galoots for time & energy spent on the sawtill
design.  I've just added it to the project cue  - mine, not hers.
Actually it has resolved some design issues for me on an existing project
(also in the cue ).

I've been mulling over a wall-hanging tool box design (ala Bob Key and Jim
Tolpin) made with four roughly 2' x 3' x 6" sections :  (1) Planes,  (2)
drills, chisels, gouges, (3) saws, and (4) marking, measuring  & miscellany.
The sectins would fold/hinge together in pairs and then stack to the size
of a traditional carpenter's/cabinetmaker's  chest.  One section might have
the wheels on the bottom and handles on the top, or I might slack off and
just get a two wheel hand cart.

Even with 24 sq ft of hanging space the sections are starting to fill up
(in my mind's eye).  I'm no cabinet maker or piano maker like Studley, so
I'm sure the efficiency of my space allocation could stand improvement.  At
least I have enough rough 4/4 cherry for the project.  I'm thinking a
scaled-down version of the saw till (~2/3 size) would fit most of my saws
except for bow saw and coping saw (that's what misc. is for).

I have an idea for a saw keeper so they don't all spill out.   It's easier
to draw than explain, so I'll try to put something together for the group
but I don't have a web page to post it to.  I'll let you know  if I can
come up with something.  Also, if the sawtill is hung on the wall tilted
back slightly, It would allow saws to be placed in alternating directions,
allowing for closer spacing.  Careful you don't scratch the handles.

While I'm thinking of it, thanks to everyone who contributes ideas to these
discussions.  I've learned lots from everyone.

Jim O'Brien

Peterson, Samuel L. wrote:
>
> Gentle galoots,
>
> I am curious to know if anyone is going to build the project.  The response
> has been underwhelming, to say the least.
>
><SNIP>

I have printed off the plans and plan to build one to go in my new shop.

However I have to build the shop first.  Should have a building permit
next week.

The plans are very nice and I do appreciate the effort that went into
producing them.  Thanks to all involved.

Bob

At  Thursday 06:06 AM 9/23/99 , Peterson, Samuel L. wrote:
>Gentle galoots,
>
>I am curious to know if anyone is going to build the project.  The response
>has been underwhelming, to say the least.
>

Sam & other galoots in need of a place to put their saws:

As numerous others have already commented - the sawtill plans are greatly
appreciated! It's a very nice plan, that shows a lot of thought & is well
presented too.  Unlike a few other galoots, it's not too big for my saw
pile... in fact, I was thinkin' about making it a bit _wider_, to
accommodate a few more.  I plan to build the optional drawers, and will try
to come up with an appropriate design to carve in relief on their faces
[...any suggestions??].

I missed galoot project #1 (the hall table)<snif>, as I just wasn't ready
to tackle a project with only hand tools... though I sure did enjoy reading
everyone's posts as it progressed.  Some galoots even finished theirs ;^).

so, if'n yer countin' - *I'm in!"  <as soon as I finish about 3-4 projects
that are ahead of it in the queue>

  - Gerry Kmack / Cave Creek, AZ

Well I guess I better build one too. My saws are just hanging on ladder hooks
from the wall. It's time to get a little organized and presentable with my
tools and getting the saws together in one place will give me more room to
add other things. I know everyone was wondering where I was going with this.
So what the till will do is allow me to justify buying more tools since I
will have more space. Thanksguys I love the plans. Brian

I've already answered that I intend to build one. I have to build my shop
(in my garage) first as well as score the right wood for the till. I want it
to be as pretty (ugh) as I can make it.

I too appreciate the work that went into the design. I've been a tool and
fixture designer for 40+ years in my other (pre-retirement) life. I can't
resist trying to improve the design, would the guys responsible for it be
hurt if I suggested a leeeettle improvement. I feel antsy about the
retaining feature for the saws. How about a simple rotating key?

I may be overly concerned, if I am tell me so.

Hal

No one's life, liberty or property is safe when the legislature is in
session!  Attributed to Will Rogers or Mark Twain
----- Original Message -----
From: Gerry Kmack <azkmack@n...>
To: <PetersonS@m...>; <oldtools@l...>
Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 7:58 PM
Subject: Re: Sawtill plans: Who is going to build one?


> At  Thursday 06:06 AM 9/23/99 , Peterson, Samuel L. wrote:
> >Gentle galoots,
> >
> >I am curious to know if anyone is going to build the project.  The
response
> >has been underwhelming, to say the least.
> >
>
> Sam & other galoots in need of a place to put their saws:
>
> As numerous others have already commented - the sawtill plans are greatly
> appreciated! It's a very nice plan, that shows a lot of thought & is well
> presented too.  Unlike a few other galoots, it's not too big for my saw
> pile... in fact, I was thinkin' about making it a bit _wider_, to
> accommodate a few more.  I plan to build the optional drawers, and will
try
> to come up with an appropriate design to carve in relief on their faces
> [...any suggestions??].
>
> I missed galoot project #1 (the hall table)<snif>, as I just wasn't ready
> to tackle a project with only hand tools... though I sure did enjoy
reading
> everyone's posts as it progressed.  Some galoots even finished theirs ;^).
>
> so, if'n yer countin' - *I'm in!"  <as soon as I finish about 3-4 projects
> that are ahead of it in the queue>
>
>   - Gerry Kmack / Cave Creek, AZ
>
>
>
> --
>
>

I, too, intend on making one.  I'll post photos when it is done.  Might be
awhile, however.  Intriguing design, seems a maximum use of space. Good job!
-----Original Message-----
From: Hal Remz <topraptor@g...>
To: azkmack@n... <azkmack@n...>; PetersonS@m...
<PetersonS@m...>; oldtools@l...
<oldtools@l...>
Date: Friday, September 24, 1999 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: Sawtill plans: Who is going to build one?


>I've already answered that I intend to build one. I have to build my shop
>(in my garage) first as well as score the right wood for the till. I want
it
>to be as pretty (ugh) as I can make it.
>
>I too appreciate the work that went into the design. I've been a tool and
>fixture designer for 40+ years in my other (pre-retirement) life. I can't
>resist trying to improve the design, would the guys responsible for it be
>hurt if I suggested a leeeettle improvement. I feel antsy about the
>retaining feature for the saws. How about a simple rotating key?
>
>I may be overly concerned, if I am tell me so.
>
>Hal
>
>No one's life, liberty or property is safe when the legislature is in
>session!  Attributed to Will Rogers or Mark Twain
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Gerry Kmack <azkmack@n...>
>To: <PetersonS@m...>; <oldtools@l...>
>Sent: Friday, September 24, 1999 7:58 PM
>Subject: Re: Sawtill plans: Who is going to build one?
>
>
>> At  Thursday 06:06 AM 9/23/99 , Peterson, Samuel L. wrote:
>> >Gentle galoots,
>> >
>> >I am curious to know if anyone is going to build the project.  The
>response
>> >has been underwhelming, to say the least.
>> >
>>
>> Sam & other galoots in need of a place to put their saws:
>>
>> As numerous others have already commented - the sawtill plans are greatly
>> appreciated! It's a very nice plan, that shows a lot of thought & is well
>> presented too.  Unlike a few other galoots, it's not too big for my saw
>> pile... in fact, I was thinkin' about making it a bit _wider_, to
>> accommodate a few more.  I plan to build the optional drawers, and will
>try
>> to come up with an appropriate design to carve in relief on their faces
>> [...any suggestions??].
>>
>> I missed galoot project #1 (the hall table)<snif>, as I just wasn't ready
>> to tackle a project with only hand tools... though I sure did enjoy
>reading
>> everyone's posts as it progressed.  Some galoots even finished theirs
;^).
>>
>> so, if'n yer countin' - *I'm in!"  <as soon as I finish about 3-4
projects
>> that are ahead of it in the queue>
>>
>>   - Gerry Kmack / Cave Creek, AZ
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>>
>
>
>--
>

Mesumtoo

Date:  (Date Unavailable)

Ed Wrote:

>A type 4/5 Stanley #8

Congratulations - buuut - how can it be an ambiguous 4 or 5, since a 4
has no lateral and a 5 does??

Ed Minch

Hal, among others was wonderin.....

if...... would the guys responsible for it be
hurt if I suggested a leeeettle improvement. I feel antsy about the
retaining feature for the saws. How about a simple rotating key?

I may be overly concerned, if I am tell me so.

Hal

Now lets see, my Grandad had a similar saw till for probly 40 years, and I
don't recall the saws fallin out. I got one similar, and the saws don't
fall out. Mind you, that little kerfed bar at the top has about 2" of slot
for the top of the saw blade to slip into in.

The center of mass is well over the point where the handle rests, so there
is little fear of falling saws, that is unless someone (DAMHIK) didn't put
enuf screws into the wall to hold the cabinet securly in place- 36" of saws
and saw sharpening stuff can get a little weightier than one would think I
guess.

Cowtown Eric
who still figures there should be a place for hacksaws, coping saws,
jewellers saws etc....

Sam Peterson asked:

>I am curious to know if anyone is going to build the project.  The
response has been underwhelming, to say the least.

Hey Sam, nice design.  I built one very similar to that last year - I
called it my quick draw saw rack.  Similar design, but it has no drawers.
So I have no convenient place to store wax, files, saw vises, jointers, or
saw sets.  The drawers will be a nice addition for rack #2.

One comment I have is that the saw handle support should be a bit higher.
Not all saw grips are the same, some have longer horns than others and will
need a higher support.  The support on my rack is 2 3/4" high and the lower
grip horns just clear the base even though my support's base is only 7"
from the back wall and the Galoot project #2 base is several inches longer.
 Also, shorter saws generally need a larger tilt angle to keep from falling
over backwards.  Anyone building one of these should try a mock up first to
get the height right.

A couple hooks to hang a saw vise or two underneath the drawers might be
good idea also.

and Tom Johnson thinks a smaller version will do.  Ha!

>Also, I
>would make it narrower and for fewer saws.  I have about 7 full size
>saws (Disston fingerhole rip, Acme 120 for smooth cutting, and a
>range of Atkins crosscuts in various tpi plus a shorter panel saw.
>Add my 6-8 tenon and dovetail saws, and that's it.  A rack this size
>would always look empty in my shop.

That's what I thought.  I had seven saws when I built mine.  It holds 13
saws.  In one year I have rescued another 24 saws.  :-)  So, if I build one
like this I will have almost enough slots.

Esther Heller asked how to make extra wide slots.

>I do have a question, how
>do you cut the kerf holder kerfs?  I cobbled together some scrap
>stuff between the studs in the dividing wall in my basement, and have
>a serious problem getting a fat enough kerf that the kerf will slide
>in easily.  But if you jostle anything pulling one saw, 3 others
>leap out at you, I was very glad to be wearing safety glasses as
>things hit me in the face....

If you have a mitre box, you can cut a single width slot, then back the
slotted board (slots up) with a piece of scrap.  Set the boards in the
mitre box with the slot offset one blade width from the blade and start the
cut in the scrap.  The saw will cut the scrap and will also make the
existing slot wider by one saw kerf.  The scrap guides the cut and keeps
the saw blade from slipping into the existing kerf.  A little chamfer on
the slots will also make it easier to insert the saw in a slot.

Have fun Galoots, having saws within easy reach is great.

Charlie Newbold RGH #11

Tom "Mr. Innocent" Johnson believes:
>A rack this size would always look empty in my shop.

To which Charlie "Been Around The Block" Newbold replies:
>That's what I thought.  I had seven saws when I built mine.
>It holds 13 saws.  In one year I have rescued another 24 saws.
> :-)  So, if I build one like this I will have almost enough slots.

Then there's Ron "Loose Cannon" Huebner who wonders:
>And I would like an explanation of the following mystery.  If I
>just started buying saws a couple of months ago, so how can there
>be 20 of them under my bed already?  Are saws related to hamsters
>or cockroaches? And why are they under my bed?!

So, hypothetically speaking, what if it takes a panorama camera
just to record your rack-o-saws, rack-o-spokeshaves, or rack-o-
whatever for posterity?  What then?  Hypothetically speaking, of
course.

Paul Fuss
Whose family descended on Tim over the weekend for an
"intervention" but got side-tracked by the baby...  And who
discovered several of these elongated photos indiscreetly
lying around.   We're all just grateful the kids didn't find
'em first.  :^)

Paul,
Obviously, you need to be able stand back a ways farther so you don't have
to use a panoramic camera.  It is time to build yourself a bigger shop!

Charlie
Paul Fuss said,
>....So, hypothetically speaking, what if it takes a panorama camera
>just to record your rack-o-saws, rack-o-spokeshaves, or rack-o-
>whatever for posterity?  What then?  Hypothetically speaking, of
>course.

From: Esther Heller
Charlie said:

Paul,
Obviously, you need to be able stand back a ways farther so you don't have
to use a panoramic camera.  It is time to build yourself a bigger shop!

Charlie
Paul Fuss said,
>....So, hypothetically speaking, what if it takes a panorama camera
>just to record your rack-o-saws, rack-o-spokeshaves, or rack-o-
>whatever for posterity?  What then?  Hypothetically speaking, of
>course.

Sorry Charlie, but your mental image of the camera is a bit off.
Having seen one of those elongated photos in Tim's office, what Paul
is describing is something that does a 360 degree pan of its
surroundings.  The left end of the photo repeats on the right end
and everything in between is a 360 view.  Tim's office sample
is a bunch of people at an antique camera meet standing in a circle
with the camera in the middle of the circle.  Imagine _that_
camera in the middle of your shop.....

But Tim has an understanding SWMBO, he has racks of stuff in the
basement with no apparent squawking.

Esther  (who was installing a new pastor at her church while Tim
and Rebecca were sprinkling a baby at theirs...)
eoh@k...

Paul spilled:

> So, hypothetically speaking, what if it takes a panorama
> camera just to record your rack-o-saws, rack-o-
> spokeshaves, or rack-o-whatever for posterity? What then?
> Hypothetically speaking, of course.

Rack-o-saws? Um, er... well... <shuffling feet>

That wasn't the half of it, Paul. That rack holds only the nicest
third of my saws. It's not my fault! (in my best Harrison Ford
voice) It has become something of a mission to rescue nice,
old, nibbed, recessed medallion, split nut saws from those
demented (and generally untalented) saw painters. Can I help
it that I often find them for a buck apiece? He, he.

> Paul Fuss
> Whose family descended on Tim over the weekend for an
> "intervention" but got side-tracked by the baby

Thank goodness for distractions!

Picked up a nice Disston rip at the FM Saturday.
Guy said he had lots more at home.  His wife
paints them and he had more that she needed.

Sigh....at least I rescued one.  Don't particularly
need it, but it has a nice home now.

Tom Ellis

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Fuss [mailto:timfuss@k...]
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 1999 9:12 AM
To: OLDTOOLS public response
Subject: Re: Sawtill plans: Who is going to build one?


It has become something of a mission to rescue nice,
old, nibbed, recessed medallion, split nut saws from those
demented (and generally untalented) saw painters. Can I help
it that I often find them for a buck apiece? He, he.