Now I know why my FS didn't get in FMM. I hit a "reply" to get a window to
type my message in and didn't notice that it replied to original sender of
that msg rather than to the list.

Can I get a "bye" and resend it or do I have to wait until next month? this
was my first attempt to send a FS after nearly a year on hte porch.

If I ahve to wait, well, OK.

Cheers/carron

On Fri, 11 Sep 1998 SpeedCom@a... wrote:

> Can I get a "bye" and resend it or do I have to wait until next month? this
> was my first attempt to send a FS after nearly a year on hte porch.
>
> If I ahve to wait, well, OK.

This is a perfect opportunity to announce my hair-brained idear that
I've been discussing with fellow Mom-Bubba, Ken. I've been on another
list that allows, nay, encourages FS notices at any time, provided
they aren't just repeated spams. My experience as a
lurker/bottom-rung particpant on this other list (where they play
their axes, not chop with them) is that the FS/WTB notices don't break
up nor upset conversation, but are often the starting points of good
discussion.

For example, someone posts a WTB a Blurfl, and the public responses
range from "what the hell is a Blurfl," to "ya know, Millers Falls
made much better Blurfls..." I believe this solves more problems than
it creates, in that we don't have to worry about holidays, monthly
list downtime, PFMMS, people *sneaking* in a WTB/FS - which generates
lots of complaints. Likely problems are a dramatic increase in
traffic (tools are lower-priced items than those other kids of axes),
potentially endless "bluelight specials," and abuse by dealer-only
"participants." Mom1 and Mom2 can handle the spammers/abusers, so the
only real hazard is more traffic. Those of you already set-up with
FS/WTB filters prolly won't even notice.

On a personal note, Ken and I are tired of the turmoil associated with
FMM. For the dealers, the pressure is exceedingly high, as a month's
worth of stuff prepares to go to market. For consumers, it's a mad
dash to pillage the dealer lists, looking for bargains. Ad hoc FS/WTB
helps the guy show needs something *now*, and also helps the guy who
happens by an antique store at lunch, and can act as picker for some
fellow galoot who might be looking for a tool that the potential
picker (say that three times fast) might not otherwise buy, were it
not for a hot buyer already out there on the net.

It would really make us a Galoot Network.

So howzzat grab ya?

Mom

Patrick Olguin wrote:
> < edit>
>
> This is a perfect opportunity to announce my hair-brained idear that
> I've been discussing with fellow Mom-Bubba, Ken. I've been on another
> list that allows, nay, encourages FS notices at any time, provided
> they aren't just repeated spams. My experience as a
> lurker/bottom-rung particpant on this other list (where they play
> their axes, not chop with them) is that the FS/WTB notices don't break
> up nor upset conversation, but are often the starting points of good
> discussion.
>
<edit>
> On a personal note, Ken and I are tired of the turmoil associated with
> FMM. For the dealers, the pressure is exceedingly high, as a month's
> worth of stuff prepares to go to market. For consumers, it's a mad
> dash to pillage the dealer lists, looking for bargains. Ad hoc FS/WTB
> helps the guy show needs something *now*, and also helps the guy who
> happens by an antique store at lunch, and can act as picker for some
> fellow galoot who might be looking for a tool that the potential
> picker (say that three times fast) might not otherwise buy, were it
> not for a hot buyer already out there on the net.
>
> It would really make us a Galoot Network.
>
> So howzzat grab ya?
>
> Mom

Mom,
        It grabs me and I grab it OK.

Bob Davis, Lubbock, TX

Soon to be cussin' & discussing Galoots,

Mommy Odeen's purview about fulltime FS and WTB's will undoubtedly stir
the list up beyond even Pat Leach's ability to sit quietly by and grump
(Patrick YOU know I'm kidding. Pat...PAT...PUT THAT #608C NIB DOWN AND
PLAY NICELY WITH THE OTHER GALOOTS!)

May I suggest that we have the WTB's on one day of the week and the FS's
on some other day? Perhaps this would help get buyers and sellers together
a little better. I also think that responses to WTB's should definitely be
offlist and not blathered about the bandwidth, like this message is being
done.

What I would not like to see is.....

HI MY NAME IS BLURFL AND I HAVE A 1 YEAR OLD STANLEY HANDSAW FOR SALE FOR
ONLY $29.95. IT WAS BOUGHT BRAND NEW AT HOME DESPOT AND STILL HAS THE
FACTORY CARDBOARD SLEEVE ON IT. COME AND GET IT!

or......

I have a Miller Falls #00 is it worth anything and how much will you pay
me for it?

I've been with the list since Paddy first trolled for it over on
rec.the.wood. If anything I say this list should grow and expand as does
everything else that we deal with. Some will like it, some will not. It is
for us to learn how to deal with that factor and move on.

My two shavings worth!

Gary Johns              OldTool Heaven
"RustHunter"            http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/9147

Hi Moms !

FMM as I have come to know it over the past month
(having only recently bio'd my way onto The List)
is a disaster for the following reasons:

1.  My blood pressure goes sky high.
2.  The server crashes like clockwork (bad analogy) -
    like W95 (at all the worst times).
3.  The persons with the most elbows get there first.
4.  Random withdrawal of rewards is bad for mental health.

FM once a month (for each seller) would work much better:

1.  We could still have the pleasure of anticipation.
2.  The server wouldn't choke.
3.  There would be more traffic on The List, especially
    among the buyers and whatsis inquirers.
4.  Lots more would be learned about OldTools by the
    novices who might like to obtain a whatsis iffagnuwhatitwas.
5.  Those who don't like FS lists would not have to stay home
    on Mondays.

Best regards,
George Langford
amenex@e...

Patrick Olguin wrote:

> On a personal note, Ken and I are tired of the turmoil associated with
> FMM. For the dealers, the pressure is exceedingly high, as a month's
> worth of stuff prepares to go to market. For consumers, it's a mad
> dash to pillage the dealer lists, looking for bargains. Ad hoc FS/WTB
> helps the guy show needs something *now*, and also helps the guy who
> happens by an antique store at lunch, and can act as picker for some
> fellow galoot who might be looking for a tool that the potential
> picker (say that three times fast) might not otherwise buy, were it
> not for a hot buyer already out there on the net.
>
> It would really make us a Galoot Network.
>
> So howzzat grab ya?
>
> Mom
>

Pehaps y'all would consider this. Traffic on weekends is typically pretty slow
on
the list. Most all of us are in Flea Market Mode on the weekends as well.

How about simply limiting the FS and WTB posts to each weekend. Whatever
discussion these posts spark can go on the rest of the week.

Just an idea.

Doesn't solve the problem someone mentioned about unfair advantage for
folks who get don't get their mail at work.  I don't see this as a problem
though (I get my mail at work).  If I want a tool, I've been on the list
long enough to know who might have it.  Why wait for FMM.

Let's get a little radical.  No FS posts, but if you want something post a
WTB.  No that goes a little too far.

My point is, if you want it ask Patrick, or Bob, or Chris, or any one of a
number of known dealers and save yourself the high blood pressure and
heartburn of whether you'll respond to a FS in time, or post a WTB.

Loving the latest tempest in a teapot.

Rob
rob@p...

At 03:41 PM 9/11/98 , you wrote:
[Paddy causes a firestorm]
>
Nathan responds:

>Pehaps y'all would consider this. Traffic on weekends is typically pretty
slow on
>the list. Most all of us are in Flea Market Mode on the weekends as well.
>
>How about simply limiting the FS and WTB posts to each weekend. Whatever
>discussion these posts spark can go on the rest of the week.
>
>Just an idea.

Odeen wrote:
> This is a perfect opportunity to announce my hair-brained idear that
> I've been discussing with fellow Mom-Bubba, Ken. I've been on another
> list that allows, nay, encourages FS notices at any time, provided
> they aren't just repeated spams. My experience as a
> lurker/bottom-rung particpant on this other list (where they play
> their axes, not chop with them) is that the FS/WTB notices don't break
> up nor upset conversation, but are often the starting points of good
> discussion.

As a sometime seller and sometime buyer on FMM, I feel that
relaxing the rules would indeed be nice when I'm in "buy mode" or "sell
mode".  But the counterpoint ("Jane, you ignorant sl*t!") is that the
volume of WTB and FS postings could easily swamp the list.  The crux of
the matter is when Paddy says:
  > ... list that allows, nay, encourages FS notices at any time, provided
  > they aren't just repeated spams. ...
I feel there would need to be a rule which limits repeated offers of the
SAME merchandise to, say, once a month.  Otherwise, you've got a loophole
which lets a seller spam the list.  To be fair, the same rule should be
applied to WTBs.  (Though Karl and Pete T. and others already demonstrate
one way around that rule -- by putting your standing FS or WTB in your .sig
file, then posting often and with useful info so people will read your posts.)

dave

Rob said:
>My point is, if you want it ask Patrick, or Bob, or Chris, or any one
of a
>number of known dealers and save yourself the high blood pressure and
>heartburn of whether you'll respond to a FS in time, or post a WTB.
>

I think that would rob the average bottom feeding galoot of
selling those tools he has a surplus of because he just picked
one up a little better at a local flea market.Also,if some dealers
know you are specifically looking for something the temptation might be
for them to put a premium price on that tool -not that any of you
would do that -right?
I like Nathan's suggestion of weekend marketing but suggest it still be
controlled to one post per month perhaps.
                 $.02 - Phil.

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Nathan Lindsey wrote:
>
> Pehaps y'all would consider this. Traffic on weekends is typically pretty
slow on
> the list. Most all of us are in Flea Market Mode on the weekends as well.
>
> How about simply limiting the FS and WTB posts to each weekend. Whatever
> discussion these posts spark can go on the rest of the week.

Well, no.  Some of the reasons that weekends tend to be so light might
be:
1) Some people only have access from work/school.  This wouldn't work
well for them.
2) Spending more time with the Family Unit.  I'd just as soon not get
involved in divorce proceedings :-)
3) Some people use that time to go out and actually hunt for the rusty
items that they're going to sell.

Another suggestion was to limit each dealer to one FS posting per
month.  I'd thought of that earlier but decided that I didn't like it.
It would require a greater monitoring presence - not only reading the
post but also checking it off against a list to see if this person has
already posted.  It's easy to do automatically, it just smacks too much
of over controlling the list.

Some concern has been expressed that we'll be inundated with spam type
posts from non-contributers.  All I can say to this is that I'll be one
hell of a lot less tolerant of people who are just selling rather than
contributing if/when we go to this system.  By "contributing" here I
mean contributing to the general knowledge level, about tools, of the
list - not _just_ some posting about about some tool collecting groups
goings-on or about a sale that is comming up.  Let's just say that at
any time if I had reason to check up on some seller the ratio of *truly
informative* posts to FS posts had better be > 1.  If someone joins the
list and just starts sending FS's they won't be here for long.

-Ken

>Subject: Re: My FS: didn't make it into the FMM
>Reply-To: daw@h...

Dave said:>

>I feel there would need to be a rule which limits repeated offers of
the
>SAME merchandise to, say, once a month.  Otherwise, you've got a
loophole
>which lets a seller spam the list.
>--

There are people who every month repeat sale items - some of these I
check for eagerly waiting for the time I have enough spondoolies
to buy them.I wouldn't think of asking somebody if they would hold
 an item until such a time I can afford it but if it's sold the next
FMM - c'est la vie.
                    Total so far today - $.04
                  Phil - learning to bottom feed.

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In a message dated 98-09-11 13:29:39 EDT, Odeen@c... writes:

< For the dealers, the pressure is exceedingly high, as a month's
 worth of stuff prepares to go to market. >

How 'bout limiting the fs/wtb ads to 3 items per person, per day.  This
would limit the "wasted" bandwidth.

Or outright ban all "dealer ads" except to say here is my page come and
look.

just a thought......

ep

Kenneth Stagg wrote:

> Nathan Lindsey wrote:
> >
> > Pehaps y'all would consider this. Traffic on weekends is typically pretty
slow on
> > the list. Most all of us are in Flea Market Mode on the weekends as well.
> >
> > How about simply limiting the FS and WTB posts to each weekend. Whatever
> > discussion these posts spark can go on the rest of the week.
>
> Well, no.  Some of the reasons that weekends tend to be so light might
> be:
> 1) Some people only have access from work/school.  This wouldn't work
> well for them.
> 2) Spending more time with the Family Unit.  I'd just as soon not get
> involved in divorce proceedings :-)
> 3) Some people use that time to go out and actually hunt for the rusty
> items that they're going to sell.
>

Ken et al,

If the posts are made each weekend there is no urgency in downloading and
reading them.
We would not necessarily have to man our computers on the weekend. Go to work
on Monday
and chose to read the weekend discussions or the weekend FS/WTB posts. If you
find a
tool you want make the transaction first thing Monday or when ever you get
around to
it.

At least this way we would have relative control of the increase in traffic and
would
not be sorting out or filtering out the posts we want to read all week long. On
e
sorting session each Monday morning would take care of the increased traffic
and likely
prevent daily conversations, discussions and questions from being overlooked as
they
might be if mixed with high volume commercial traffic.

The analogy of WTB/FS posts to spam is not valid for most of us because we
enjoy tool
shopping but I could deal with spam a lot better if it only came on the weekend
s
instead of three or four everyday. I might even stop to see if any of it
interests me.

I don't see that the limited workday access is a valid argument against limitin
g
commercial posts to weekends. If it's happening every week the urgency we see
on the
once a month FMM just won't be there and the whole process would seem to be
much more
relaxed.

As for the posting process, those with limited weekday access could program
their
browser to send the FS/WTB post at some specific time on Saturday in their
absence or
simply allow the posts to begin Friday afternoon. The goal of a one time sort
and
filter on Monday morning is still accomplished.

FWIW

>>
> How 'bout limiting the fs/wtb ads to 3 items per person, per day.  This
> would limit the "wasted" bandwidth.

Have you counted how many items are on the major dealers' lists?  I
like seeing the range available even if I don't always bite.

>
> Or outright ban all "dealer ads" except to say here is my page come and
> look.
>
> just a thought......
>
>
This assumes _everyone_ has web access, are we prepared to make that
assumption?  I know we have some juno folks, and I suspect the coverage
might be a lot sparser/more expensive outside North America.

Esther eoh@k...

>So howzzat grab ya?

Grabs me fine. I don't anticipate some of the problems which have been
addressed because:

1. Genuine dealers are too busy finding/buying/selling tools to be
listing 1 or 2 tools at a time.

2. Some of the FMM frenzy is caused by its one day/month nature. You
think "Gee if I don't contact Patrick this second, 10 other galoots
will." A continual FS/WTB will relieve the pressure on buyers as well as
sellers. My crazed Monday mornings of desperately reading all the
listings, quickly e-mailing sellers, then wondering did I really need
that burfl, will be relieved.

Dave

Lessee here:
        EP wrote:
>How 'bout limiting the fs/wtb ads to 3 items per person, per day.
>This would limit the "wasted" bandwidth.

        Problem: I think if "bandwidth" is measured by lines in the "In"
box, this would result in an increase of clutter.  Thinking of the length
of some current FS lists, this could result in 3 items per day every day of
the month, from some of the major movers of tools on the list.

>Or outright ban all "dealer ads" except to say here is my page
>come and look.

        Problem:  big grey area on continuum from professional merchant to
unloader of excess accumulation, in this group.

        Kenneth Stagg wrote:
>[re] limit each dealer to one FS posting per
>month.  I'd thought of that earlier but decided that I didn't like it.
>It would require a greater monitoring presence - not only reading the
>post but also checking it off against a list to see if this person has
>already posted.

        We could try the Honor System, and hit egregious violators pretty
hard.  If we try out some more flexible format (and I agree that FMM is
pretty wild), I think I would favor some limitation like one FS per month
per member.  That's really no different from current policy, except that
the FSs would be interspersed over the month rather than piled on First
Monday (with the usual Tuesday slopover).  We already control FMM pretty
rigidly, so I don't see that freeing up the date of the single FS per
member would involve *more* control.
        And given the pros and cons of at-work weekdays vs. at-home
weekends, both have valid points on both sides, so a "fair" policy might be
no policy at all.  It would be up to the seller to decide what (single) day
of the month to place the FS before the scattered public.  Fairness might
also recommend one public WTB list per month per member, thinking that many
WTBs will continue to be handled as they are now--by contacting known
scavenger/dealers privately.
        Couple more pennies on the pile.
                Tom Holloway

        Well, may as well comment since about everyone else has.

        I actually like the once a month stampede of FMM. There's the
anticipation,
        the perusing lists to see if anything strikes my fancy even if I
didn't have
        it in mind. I guess if it would make life easier for the Moms then
I'd have no
        problem with it but frankly I'd miss the excitement.

        I do think that it should be limited to list members at least. I
trust active
        participants the way I wouldn't trust a random sample of dealers.
We'd probably
        get painted saw offerings or somthing.

        Joe

Hi,

Yes, I agree that the once a month FS & WTB day has been too frenetic.
You can see folks getting really antsy when the list goes down or slows
down on FMM.  We should probably try one of the suggestions to see how
it works.  I'm sure we'll survive.

Cheers

Joe

Whatever.

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** Reply to note from Patrick Olguin <Odeen@c...> Fri, 11 Sep 1998
13:26:33 -0400 (EDT)

GGs,

I have read all the comments so far and will offer my 7 kopecks (now valued
at 454,237 rubles) worth.

First (groveling and currying favor with the all powerful list moms) I favor
anything that eases life for the list moms.  This means that restricting posts
to once a month is a non-starter because of the work.  Imposing any strict
limitations is liable to fall into the same category.

I can afford to say this having built my collect... er user set off of FMMs
past.

Propose what you will.  I will develop my complicated set of filters and live
on.  Any proposal that is adopted will have flaws and problems.  So be it.
Let's try the new way and if it doesn't work we can change.

ernie fisch

On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, list-mom-Odeen proposed proposes possibly allowing some
form of month-long flea market.

This might not be a bad idea, with some real ground rules:  (1) FS/WTB posts
*must* have FS or WTB in the subject line, so we can filter these messages
easily; (2) all replies to the list (i.e., not offers to buy) concerning the
subject matter of the FS/WTB postings must *not* have FS or WTB in the
subject line, so they won't get filtered into the FMM folder we set up; (3)
no re-postings of the same list more than once per month.

Another good ground rule would be some maximum number of postings per week
(e.g., 2) or month (e.g., 4) by each galoot, particularly dealers.  This
would be enforced only when it gets to be a problem.

Michael D. Sullivan, Bethesda, Md., USA ICQ #15033066

On Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:41:10 -0500, Nathan Lindsey wrote:

>How about simply limiting the FS and WTB posts to each weekend. Whatever
>discussion these posts spark can go on the rest of the week.
>
>Just an idea.

And a good one!

Michael D. Sullivan, Bethesda, Md., USA ICQ #15033066

I'm all for it. As it happens, I'll continue to post the first Monday of
each month... if I am able to. I've got folks who expect to see some sort
of list. But I may amend that to a post the first week of the month to
allow for the vagaries of life. That would also allow me to set up a web
page for overflow and old items... and post the new stuff once a month or
so. Maybe even twice a month.

I would suggest that we keep the first Monday as a preferred day and allow
people to post FS and WTB messages at other times as needed. People who use
the archive to scan FS posts may miss the scattered posts. I believe that
there are enough current list members, ex-list members and hangers-on who
use the archive to warrant some minor formality to the schedule.

However, if we develope a hard and fast rule of x number of posts per
month... that will only throw more responsibilities on the listmoms to
monitor the traffic.

So I propose:

1. The first Monday is the preferred day for FMM.
2. FS and WTB posts are allowed throughout the month.
3. FS and WTB posts are accepted from list members in good standing
4. Participation in list actitivities is encouraged... the final say is up
to the listmoms.
5. Spam type FS and WTB posts are not allowed under any circumstances.
6. All FS and WTB posts must contain these letters in the subject header.
7. There could be a number 7, but I can't think of one just now.
8. FS and WTB posts are limited to 2 per month on an honor system.

And of course I finally got around to reading all the posts and see that
Paddy has already dealt with the issue in a fair and equitable manner. But
why waste all this hot air that I just expelled?
Gary Roberts <groberts@s...>
Boston, MA...Antique tools, Art Pottery, Hong Kong cinema, what else is there?

Mom,

As a novice porch sitter, I vote YES.  For the reasons you say, and more, I
learn a lot from the FS/WTB listings and gain a sense of the going rate for
the tools on my personal list.  It is certainly worth a try.

Quentin

At 01:26 PM 9/11/98 -0400, Patrick Olguin wrote:
>On Fri, 11 Sep 1998 SpeedCom@a... wrote:
>This is a perfect opportunity to announce my hair-brained idear that
>I've been discussing with fellow Mom-Bubba, Ken. I've been on another
>list that allows, nay, encourages FS notices at any time, provided
>they aren't just repeated spams. My experience as a
>lurker/bottom-rung particpant on this other list (where they play
>their axes, not chop with them) is that the FS/WTB notices don't break
>up nor upset conversation, but are often the starting points of good
>discussion.

Lotsa snippage here

>So howzzat grab ya?
>
>Mom

Hi Mom and Y'all,
Thought I would throw in my two cents here and give this dealer's
view.  I say do whatever makes life easier, or at least tolerable
for the List Moms.  It would seem that the more restrictive we are,
the more difficult it would be to enforce.  However, NO restrictions
may lead to severe problems.  I guess a strict enforcement of the
FS/WTB in the subject line would make it tolerable for those not
wanting to wade through such items.  But, there must be some that use
software that doesn't have filters, or don't know how or don't want
to know how to use them...  Is this a problem?

As far as the pressure of sellers to get their list prepared:
Yes, I've been up until midnight a couple of times trying to get
my list ready.  That's just part of most businesses.  If you want
real work, try to prepare for a flea market setup on a Friday night.
You can't sell what you don't take, not getting the prices on
merchandise often leads to selling it too cheap, and let me tell you,
it doesn't take lugging around many #8's to make you wish you sold
miniature widgets, etc.

Also, Eudora has a timed send where you can prepare your list anytime
during the weekend and it will go at 00:01 Monday, if you wish.  I
assume other software has similar features.  This can take some of
the "pressure" off.

One thing I've noticed that I would like opinions on is the fact
my for sale list is listed at my web page.  I tried just pointing
buyers to it, instead of including it in a message, to reduce the
bandwidth utilized.  Unfortunately, this seemed to significantly
reduce the response I had.  Is it too much trouble to click on the
link?

Well, maybe you got a nickels worth instead of two cents...

Regards,
Larry
EMAIL: LKP@R...
HOME PAGE: HTTP://WWW.RUSTYTOOL.CNCHOST.COM
Shortcut to my Links:
http://www.rustytool.cnchost.com/index.shtml#rustytools_links

Larry asks for opinions about mail lists and web lists.

>One thing I've noticed that I would like opinions on is the fact
>my for sale list is listed at my web page.  I tried just pointing
>buyers to it, instead of including it in a message, to reduce the
>bandwidth utilized.  Unfortunately, this seemed to significantly
>reduce the response I had.  Is it too much trouble to click on the
>link?

Larry,

Since you asked for input,

For me switching over to a link was not something I've wanted to do
when clearing my inbox during FMM.  Probably a combination of
laziness, and older/slow computer system that doesn't automatically
switch to URLs, and the perception that anything generally listed
on a web site is probably priced at real market value or higher.

I equate FMM to a garage sale hunt (find something inexpensive/cool)
while web sites are more like browsing thru the hardware store.
However, I do check out the various old tool web sites occasionally
to see if anything catches my eye or to track an item for a potential
"early bird discount" such as you offer.

I'd also like to believe that in the small community of Oldtools
sellers give a little better prices to the assembled galootdom than the
general public which is facilitated thru FMM.  Perhaps a false impression
but I'd rather hope so.

Best,
Brian

Hi Paddy,

Well, you asked and so I'll answer.

The short answer first:  I'll not argue with what ever the list
Moms want to do.  You have my support, _regardless_.  It's a
pleasure to be a part of the List, even tho' the depth of my
knowledge is pretty limited, and I can't contribute much.
My assessment of my first year of the list is that you must
be doing something right - and it surely doesn't happen without
a lot of effort.

The long answer:

I don't sell much on FMM (or anywhere else for that
matter).  But I do like to occasionally relieve some of the
congestion in the "pit" by sending off a tool that I have
no use for.  So it helps me to read the WTBs

As one slowly getting addicted to auctions, I frequently
come home with tools that I know very little about.  I know
it's dumb, but then again, I don't claim to be very smart.
But it's a great way to add to your education by - trolling -
and finding out more about what you can see, touch, and use,
rather than just read about it.

As a newbie, reading the list has gotten me iterested in
saws, woodies, steel planes, spokeshaves, sharpening, etc.
Guess what happened?  I've easily tripled the number of
tools I previously had.  Well, maybe that's understated.
I started with 5 saws, and now I have 27.  That's about
?? too many.  But my point is, after being on the list
for only a year, a person with a weak mind and low will power
will accumulate more tools than he needs.  Some of
the reason is the stimulation the list provides.  A large part
of the reason is that old tools are really interesting.

Well, maybe you can see what I'm getting to.  I think the List
breeds c*ll*ct*rs.  And tho' I really don't want to be one
I'm slowly turning into one.  But I'm still fighting it, and
losing.

Well, that's some of my thinking.

So, I'm supportive of whatever the List Moms want to do.
It's been a great ride for me so far.

Cheers,
Jack

At 01:26 PM 9/11/98 -0400, Patrick Olguin wrote:
>This is a perfect opportunity to announce my hair-brained idear that
>I've been discussing with fellow Mom-Bubba, Ken. I've been on another
>list that allows, nay, encourages FS notices at any time,

Hey wait a minute! Isn't this the same guy who a couple of months ago (&
for some consequtive months) suggested, nay...threatened to abolish FMM
forever?? What gives? Is this the Twilight Zone??

At 01:26 PM 9/11/98 -0400, Patrick Olguin wrote:
>This is a perfect opportunity to announce my hair-brained idear that
>I've been discussing with fellow Mom-Bubba, Ken. I've been on another
>list that allows, nay, encourages FS notices at any time,

Hey wait a minute! Isn't this the same guy who a couple of months ago (&
for some consecutive months) suggested...nay threatened, to abolish FMM all
together? What gives? Have I fallen into the "Twilight Zone"? Did Paddy
bump his head walking under a freeway overpass?

All kidding aside, this'll fly or not solely based on the integrity of
those involved. As Paddy so eloquently said "It's your list, people. It's
what you make of it."

WTB: Miller's Falls permaloid brace, in good condition. I don't technically
want to use it but I have a "use" for it. <evil grin>

David Brown

In a message dated 98-09-12 21:52:44 EDT, d.b.brown@m... writes:

<<
 WTB: Miller's Falls permaloid brace, in good condition. I don't technically
 want to use it but I have a "use" for it. <evil grin>
  >>
     This sounds like a "legally accurate" response, but you are not
volunteering additional details.  That ploy has backfired already it seems.

                                               Lloyd Henley