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256602 | Gye Greene <gyegreene@g...> | 2015‑10‑10 | Example of vinegar de-rusting |
GGs, Hi! Just a minor data point/example on using vinegar for de-rusting: I just got done de-rusting three calipers, a small pipe(?) wrench, and two... poky-things. Includes "before", "ready", and "after" photos. http://gyegreene.blogspot.com.au/2015/10/de-rusting-with- vinegar.html">http://gyegreene.blogspot.com.au/2015/10/de-rusting-with- vinegar.html Note this is aimed more at the new kids than the old hands. Also, FWIW -- it seems like pretty much anything acidic would work. I've used my wife's expired Diet Coke (phosphoric and carbonic acid), and also the squeezings of lemons that were starting to rot. --Travis |
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256603 | Michael Blair <branson2@s...> | 2015‑10‑10 | Re: Example of vinegar de-rusting |
Gye Greene. your experience is about the same as mine. Been using vinegar for about 8 years now. Got tired of the cost of Naval Jelly and found vinegar was not only cheaper, but easier to use. The grey surface? 0000 steel wool cures that. Mike in Sacto |
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256604 | "Ray Sheley Jr." <rsheley@r...> | 2015‑10‑10 | Re: Example of vinegar de-rusting |
I'll have to give this a try. I've been very satisfied with using a solution of 1 cup of citric acid to a gallon of hot (From your faucet hot.) water. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Blair Gye Greene. your experience is about the same as mine. Been using vinegar for about 8 years now. Got tired of the cost of Naval Jelly and found vinegar was not only cheaper, but easier to use. The grey surface? 0000 steel wool cures that. Mike in Sacto |
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256607 | Claudio DeLorenzi <claudio@d...> | 2015‑10‑10 | Re: Example of vinegar de-rusting |
Re Vinegar for rust removal: Regular vinegar is ~ 5% acetic acid. In the cleaning supply area of Home Hardware (in Canada) you can often find "cleaning vinegar" which is ~10% acetic acid (other suppliers may have 8%-check the label). It's usually about the same price as the regular food grade stuff from the grocery store. I find the higher concentration convenient because it just works faster (plus it works great for windows and general cleaning of scale from hard water etc), Soaking a couple of hours or so will clean most of the moderate rust, and maybe overnight for the more severely rusted stuff. Don't forget your stuff in there for weeks though (it will eventually 'dissolve'). I also use this soaking technique for quick rehab of bargain priced used flea market files and rasps. The files come out of the solution with thick black crud that comes off pretty easily with a brass wire brush (even the crud at the deepest parts of double cut files comes out). I find that this will clean out the grooves and chemically "sharpen" the teeth giving me very inexpensive, reasonably sharp files (sometimes 'as new'). I use files for wood as well as shaping metal, and I find it convenient to have many shapes and styles to hand for all sorts of odd jobs. Usually no one wants used files so you can usually get them at a very good price, It often works out in my favor to buy a handful of these and drop them in vinegar overnight to see what I've got. Give it a try- you will be surprised by how well this usually works. Sure you will get a few duds, but often the files are just really dirty and have plenty of life left in them. I'm not sure if it weakens the edges or not (ie reduces the life of the file), but for the money, it usually works out favorably. (Maybe someone who knows metal can comment on this?) Besides, there are so many uses for the high carbon steel, its worth picking some up just to experiment with- (for example, you can put a couple into the hot coals after your next BBQ and then leave them to cool slowly in the ashes to anneal the steel to rework it giving it a new purpose rather than landfill... Does anyone know if the edges of steel files are permanently damaged (or weakened) by soaking in acid? Cheers, Claudio in Waterloo, ON > of Naval Jelly and found vinegar was not only cheaper, but > easier to use. The grey surface? 0000 steel wool cures that. > > Mike in Sacto > > |
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256608 | Chuck Ramsey <chuck-ramsey@l...> | 2015‑10‑10 | Re: Example of vinegar de-rusting |
Claudio DeLorenzi wrote: [Snip] Does anyone know if the edges of steel files are permanently damaged (or weakened) by soaking in acid? [End of Snip] Of course the answer is, "Depends". Depends on the strength of the acid, the time of contact and no doubt other things I can't think of at the moment. I recall The Old Millrat writing about a used rasp that he put into a container of serious acid (muriatic acid?) to clean the rasp. He forgot about it for a while (a week or weeks?) and when he remembered to remove the rasp it had holes in the tool. I recall the photos of this rasp and what was left resembled a surform blade or a cheese grater. One very dead useless rasp was the result. [Snip] Don't forget your stuff in there for weeks though (it will eventually 'dissolve'). [End of Snip] I too use household/grocery store vinegar for my rust removal. I use it because it's cheap, available, kitchen safe and vinegar works. My flea market old tools get washed with hot water and maybe a squirt of dish washing soap in the kitchen sink. I scrub the tools with a green dish washing pad and maybe a small brass bristled brush. Then I dry them and dump them in a container of of vinegar usually overnight. The container is left open on the kitchen counter exposed to food preparation and a pair of cats who sometimes venture onto the counter. When I pull them out of the vinegar I use the same cleaning method I used before I dumped them in the vinegar with the addition of special attention to the drying. The only problem I have had is neglecting to remove the tools after an overnight soak. When I have soaked the tools in the vinegar for a week it seemed to me that there were more and deeper pits in the "cleaned" tool that I had expected or desired. I have yet to "dissolve" a tool or turn a file into a cheese grater but I suspect that given enough time it could happen. Also if the tools is not completely submerged there will be a line on the tool to indicate where the vinegar level was. chuck ________________________________________ |
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256609 | "Adam R. Maxwell" <amaxwell@m...> | 2015‑10‑10 | Re: Example of vinegar de-rusting |
> On Oct 10, 2015, at 09:48 , Claudio DeLorenzi |
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256616 | Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> | 2015‑10‑11 | Re: Example of vinegar de-rusting |
I have gotten stuff back from Boggs with no sign of the dull grey you get with the acids I have used. I akways thought they used acidm but check this out: http://www.boggstool.com/page1.htm l Also, the website says: Ed Minch On Oct 10, 2015, at 2:23 PM, Chuck Ramsey |
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