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256555 Mark Jefferis <mark.tango@i...> 2015‑10‑06 space saving board storage
I have roughly 350 board feet of 3 quarter hard maple (8-10 ft lengths), 300
board feet of 3 quarter cherry (8 foot lengths) and 200 board feet of other
stuff in varying lengths. The maple and cherry I purchased through a Craigs List
ad and had been surfaced and thicknessed top and bottom and 1 side.

To date, I have been storing the lumber as I use it in 3 stacks on bottom sticks
which rest on epoxied concrete. I have not inserted sticks between the board
layers. I live in an art loft that was built in 1916 as a boot factory. The
floors and ceilings are 18 inches thick. The ceilings are 12 feet high.

I am having thoughts of building leaning racks against the out side walls to
store the wood on end similar to what I see at lumber stores. A lot of floor
space would be saved with this method.

Is leaning/standing the boards on end a method of storage that does not
encourage warping and twisting over time?

Mark
256601 Bruce Zenge <brucensherry@g...> 2015‑10‑10 Re: space saving board storage
Mark,
If you support the length of the boards top to bottom, you should have
no problem.  If, however, you just support at the top and bottom and
nothing in between, you run the risk of bowing the boards lengthwise.
Depending on length ( you said 8-10'), you might get away with
supporting midway up.  I've never been an advocate of upright storage,
but you can get away with it using just a bit of thought.  Twisting
should be no more issue than normal, regardless.

Just my opinion.
Bruce Z.



>
> I am having thoughts of building leaning racks against the out side walls to
> store the wood on end similar to what I see at lumber stores. A lot of floor
> space would be saved with this method.
>
> Is leaning/standing the boards on end a method of storage that does not
> encourage warping and twisting over time?
> Mark
256612 Buz Buskirk <buz.buskirk@g...> 2015‑10‑11 Re: space saving board storage
You want to make sure that the racks limit any sideways slippage or forward
tippage of the lumber. Dodging and running from an avalanche of 100s bd-ft of
lumber is not fun. Once it starts, you can't stop it. Speaking from the
experience of the one chance I took with vertically stacked plywood (about 8ish
sheets of 1/2", IIRC). Luckily, no one was hurt. My young GIT shot out of the
shop like a rabbit (whew!). It sheared the corner off of a plywood saw horse and
some of the sheets pinned my leg against the bench-just a nasty scrape. I don't
store lumber vertically: moulding would be one thing, but nothing with real
mass.

Buz

On Tue, 06 Oct 2015 at 05:49:39 AM, Mark Jefferis wrote:
> I have roughly 350 board feet of 3 quarter hard maple (8-10 ft lengths), 300
board feet of 3 quarter cherry (8 foot lengths) and 200 board feet of other
stuff in varying lengths. The maple and cherry I purchased through a Craigs List
ad and had been surfaced and thicknessed top and bottom and 1 side.
> 
> To date, I have been storing the lumber as I use it in 3 stacks on bottom
sticks which rest on epoxied concrete. I have not inserted sticks between the
board layers. I live in an art loft that was built in 1916 as a boot factory.
The floors and ceilings are 18 inches thick. The ceilings are 12 feet high.
> 
> I am having thoughts of building leaning racks against the out side walls to
store the wood on end similar to what I see at lumber stores. A lot of floor
space would be saved with this method.
> 
> Is leaning/standing the boards on end a method of storage that does not
> encourage warping and twisting over time?
> 
> Mark
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256613 John Leyden <leydenjl@g...> 2015‑10‑11 Re: space saving board storage
Mark writes:

I am having thoughts of building leaning racks against the out side walls to
store the wood on end similar to what I see at lumber stores. A lot of floor
space would be saved with this method.

Is leaning/standing the boards on end a method of storage that does not
encourage warping and twisting over time?

Standing them perfectly flush/vertical against the wall is obviously too
dangerous, and angling them towards the wall may not save as much floor space as
one might wish.

If you look at how the big box stores often stack their lumber, there are sticks
angled towards the rear and boards laid flat on the floor below. But the floor
footprint of the steel frame/rack holding both is identical. So all the other
questions of safety and warpage notwithstanding, I fail to see how this method
conserves floor space. Angled storage might appear to occupy less volume in the
room than a traditional rectilinear lumber rack, and while that’s probably the
only advantage I can see to doing it that way I don’t think it outweighs the
advantages of storing boards horizontally. Let gravity be your friend when it
comes to long term storage.

JL
256619 Ed Minch <ruby1638@a...> 2015‑10‑11 Re: space saving board storage
I think the vertical storage at the big boxes is a compromise.  Note that the
framing lumber that is mostly just grab and go and stacked horizontally, but the
“finished” lumber that they expert to be handled a lot is vertical.  My “system”
is horizontal at about 6’ and over to prevent warping, but shorter is vertical.
Definitely could be better overall

Ed Minch




On Oct 11, 2015, at 8:50 AM, John Leyden  wrote:

> Standing them perfectly flush/vertical against the wall is obviously too
dangerous, and angling them towards the wall may not save as much floor space as
one might wish.
> 
> If you look at how the big box stores often stack their lumber, there are
sticks angled towards the rear and boards laid flat on the floor below. But the
floor footprint of the steel frame/rack holding both is identical. So all the
other questions of safety and warpage notwithstanding, I fail to see how this
method conserves floor space. Angled storage might appear to occupy less volume
in the room than a traditional rectilinear lumber rack, and while that’s
probably the only advantage I can see to doing it that way I don’t think it
outweighs the advantages of storing boards horizontally. Let gravity be your
friend when it comes to long term storage.
256620 "Adam R. Maxwell" <amaxwell@m...> 2015‑10‑11 Re: space saving board storage
> On Oct 11, 2015, at 15:06 , Ed Minch  wrote:
> 
> My “system” is horizontal at about 6’ and over to prevent warping, but shorter
is vertical.  Definitely could be better overall

My system is all leaning against the wall to save space, but
I don't have the stock that some of you do; it's mostly just
a board left over from each project. One of the neatest vertical
setups I've seen is from Wilbur Pan:

http://tinyurl.com/qywpspx

http://giantcypress.net/post/5388073797/the-worst-part-about-building-a
-new-lumber-rack-is">http://giantcypress.net/post/5388073797/the-worst-part-
about-building-a-new-lumber-rack-is

Of course, over time the wood will flow towards the bottom
and your boards will get thicker, so you should inver them
every year.

Adam
Just Say (tmPL), galoots never get board by overthinking
256623 Andy Barss <barss@u...> 2015‑10‑11 Re: space saving board storage
I¹m in the midst of doing this in my shop.  I had been storing lumber in a
shed, horizontally, on sets of those ultra heavy duty shelf supports that
Woodcraft and Lee Valley sell:
http://
www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?p=32145&cat=1,43326

What I have done is to move the shelf supports and standards to a wall in
my shop proper, creating bays that are 32² wide (one shelf standard for
every other 2x6 in the wall).  I have the shelf supports protruding out,
with the lumber stacked vertically in between them.  To make them extra
secure, I drilled holes in the ends of each shelf support, and bolted a
heavy eyebolt through the hole. I will have steel cable (or heavy rope)
going through the eyebolts, outside the lumber, so if the boards in one
bay decide to fall they¹ll get caught by the cable. (I also plan to put
wedges in to keep the shelf supports from coming up and off the standards
when moving lumber around, probably unnecessary but easy to do).

I think a fundamental advantage of vertical storage is the ease with which
you can sort through a bunch of boards by moving them a bit to one side.
With horizontal storage, you need to unpile them to do this. As long as
they¹re close to vertical, I¹m not worried about warpage.

‹ Andy Barss



On 10/11/15, 3:46 PM, "Adam R. Maxwell"  wrote:

>
>> On Oct 11, 2015, at 15:06 , Ed Minch  wrote:
>> 
>> My ³system² is horizontal at about 6¹ and over to prevent warping, but
>>shorter is vertical.  Definitely could be better overall
>
>My system is all leaning against the wall to save space, but
>I don't have the stock that some of you do; it's mostly just
>a board left over from each project. One of the neatest vertical
>setups I've seen is from Wilbur Pan:
>
>http://tinyurl.com/qywpspx
>
>http://giantcypress.net/post/5388073797/the-worst-part-about-
building-a-ne">http://giantcypress.net/post/5388073797/the-worst-part-about-
building-a-ne
>w-lumber-rack-is
>
>Of course, over time the wood will flow towards the bottom
>and your boards will get thicker, so you should inver them
>every year.
>
>Adam
>Just Say (tmPL), galoots never get board by overthinking
>
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