First off  as an aside, most of us are oldtimers on the list x20+ years, some
not so old timers, have an appreciation of how the list evolved out of
rec.woodworking (20+ yrs ago), where the hand tool afficianados really got tired
of seeing a hunnerd posts of “which table saw to buy”  and the thousands of
responses TOTALLY eclipsing any handtool posts

Ergo this list evolved for hand-tools/old tools/old ways with a fairly closely
adhered to charter dedicated to old ways/ hand tools, and the like leaving the
chatter about lectron burning tools to other venues. This has been reiterated
recently, but maybe some newbies may not be aprised of how this list-serve
evolutitated, and how it has survived, to my mind, because of it’s purity of
purpose.

. 

From time to time, we all cross the lines of the charter and mention power tools
in handtool rehab, and have to offer to  clean and polish the porch spitton and
by and large, the subscribers seem to deal with power tool questions elsewhere.
I figure you can ask a hunnerd questions about handtools, and then maybe toss in
an ‘lectron burning power tool question related to hand tools and get away with
it with appropriate apologies, but firstoff HAND TOOLS OLD TOOLS SVP

But all this talk of lathes, there are pole lathes, Just ask the friendly bodger
Richard Wilson. And treadle lathes

Maybe Claudio just wasn’t aware that not all lathes burn electrons. I’   ll be
betting he does now!.

And to my mind the Zyliss  is uuseless as a lathe, as are most tube lathes. I
have one on hand, but only for potential site application as a vice. I paid a
pittance for it, so it can lie in wait for a call to duty.

But my  real question is if anyone has any idea about an existing
nomograph/type study that would link length of handles to size of  socket
chisel for London Pattern handles from a traditonal  historic sense. All I seem
to find is “make it so it looks good” and ain’t nothin wrong with that for one-
offs, but to work towards a nice lookin set of chisels and respect the past it
would be nice to know. If such a thing exists

Eric in Calgary

On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 8:18 PM,  wrote:

>
> But my  real question is if anyone has any idea about an existing
> nomograph/type study that would link length of handles to size of  socket
> chisel for London Pattern handles from a traditonal  historic sense. All I
> seem to find is “make it so it looks good” and ain’t nothin wrong with that
> for one-offs, but to work towards a nice lookin set of chisels and respect
> the past it would be nice to know. If such a thing exists
>

 If anyone could make this exist, it'd be our very own Tom Conroy.  He
discussed that with us, a bit, during our recent Bagathon chez NickNaylo.

Tom?

Best,
Bill
Felton, CA
just say "striking while the iron is hot isn't just a thing after you
strike for a friend"

In my collection of tools I have a couple of boxes which contain in 
total about 70 or 80 octagonal boxwood handled chisels/gouges.
It would be interesting to make a chart...
Maybe with  a picture of a chisel on the top of the page with dimensions 
marked..a,b,c,d,e...
I'm not all that flash with software, but I should be able to remember 
how to use excel to set it up to total the columns and average it out 
automatically.
Set me up with the criteria, and I'll fill in my sizes. I can add any 
other contributions, and I'll upload it on my website.
Cheers,
Peter
In Main Ridge, VIC
Australia


On 6/10/2015 6:29 AM, Dragon List wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 8:18 PM,  wrote:
>
>> But my  real question is if anyone has any idea about an existing
>> nomograph/type study that would link length of handles to size of  socket
>> chisel for London Pattern handles from a traditonal  historic sense. All I
>> seem to find is “make it so it looks good” and ain’t nothin wrong with that
>> for one-offs, but to work towards a nice lookin set of chisels and respect
>> the past it would be nice to know. If such a thing exists
>>

Eric,
a data point...
This is what Mathieson thought should be the ferrule size for chisel 
widths, from a repro of the 1933 catalogue.
http://ww
w.petermcbride.com/temp/images/math_handle_size.jpg

Cheers,
Peter
In Main Ridge, VIC
Australia

On 5/10/2015 2:18 PM, ecoyle@t... wrote:
> First off  as an aside, most of us are oldtimers on the list x20+ years, some
not so old timers, have an appreciation of how the list evolved out of
rec.woodworking (20+ yrs ago), where the hand tool afficianados really got tired
of seeing a hunnerd posts of “which table saw to buy”  and the thousands of
responses TOTALLY eclipsing any handtool posts
>
> Ergo this list evolved for hand-tools/old tools/old ways with a fairly closely
adhered to charter dedicated to old ways/ hand tools, and the like leaving the
chatter about lectron burning tools to other venues. This has been reiterated
recently, but maybe some newbies may not be aprised of how this list-serve
evolutitated, and how it has survived, to my mind, because of it’s purity of
purpose.
>
> .
>
>  From time to time, we all cross the lines of the charter and mention power
tools in handtool rehab, and have to offer to  clean and polish the porch
spitton and by and large, the subscribers seem to deal with power tool questions
elsewhere. I figure you can ask a hunnerd questions about handtools, and then
maybe toss in an ‘lectron burning power tool question related to hand tools and
get away with it with appropriate apologies, but firstoff HAND TOOLS OLD TOOLS
SVP
>
> But all this talk of lathes, there are pole lathes, Just ask the friendly
bodger Richard Wilson. And treadle lathes
>
> Maybe Claudio just wasn’t aware that not all lathes burn electrons. I’   ll be
betting he does now!.
>
> And to my mind the Zyliss  is uuseless as a lathe, as are most tube lathes. I
have one on hand, but only for potential site application as a vice. I paid a
pittance for it, so it can lie in wait for a call to duty.
>
> But my  real question is if anyone has any idea about an existing
nomograph/type study that would link length of handles to size of  socket
> chisel for London Pattern handles from a traditonal  historic sense. All I
seem to find is “make it so it looks good” and ain’t nothin wrong with that for
one-offs, but to work towards a nice lookin set of chisels and respect the past
it would be nice to know. If such a thing exists
>
> Eric in Calgary
>
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On 2015-10-04 9:18 PM, ecoyle@t... wrote:
> link length of handles to size of  socket
> chisel for London Pattern handles from a traditonal  historic sense
I have yet to see a socketed London pattern handled chisel. Are there 
such beasts, or were they always tanged?

Don

-- 
Prime Minister Steven Harper - way past his due date

Wow, thanks for posting that.  Will need to save for later
On Oct 6, 2015 4:51 PM, "Peter McBride"  wrote:
>
> For those interested in making repro octagonal handles, here are the
dimensions of a set of 12 Marples chisels from 1 1/2 to 1/4 inch
>
> http://
www.petermcbride.com/temp/images/oct_handle_specs.jpg
>
> It may be interesting to measure all the chisels in the boxes, but this
set of classic chisels should give those wanting to make an original size
set

Hi Peter
Also another possible typo?:
The bottom row for the 1/4 inch chisel I am wondering if the d column
should read 2 1/8" or 2 3/16" instead of 2 3/8")

Claudio

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Peter McBride 
wrote:

> For those interested in making repro octagonal handles, here are the
> dimensions of a set of 12 Marples chisels from 1 1/2 to 1/4 inch
>
> http://
www.petermcbride.com/temp/images/oct_handle_specs.jpg
>
>

Hi Claudio,
No, that handle does actually have a longer octagonal section than the 
5/16 in to 5/8 in chisels.
Later today I'll add a fresh photo of the chisels from above, to 
eliminate any distortion.

Cheers,
Peter
In Main Ridge, VIC
Australia


On 8/10/2015 12:19 AM, Claudio DeLorenzi wrote:
> Hi Peter
> Also another possible typo?:
> The bottom row for the 1/4 inch chisel I am wondering if the d column 
> should read 2 1/8" or 2 3/16" instead of 2 3/8")
>
> Claudio
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 7:20 PM, Peter McBride 
> mailto:peter_mcbride@b...">mailto:peter_mcbride@b...>> wrote:
>
>     For those interested in making repro octagonal handles, here are
>     the dimensions of a set of 12 Marples chisels from 1 1/2 to 1/4 inch
>
>     htt
p://www.petermcbride.com/temp/images/oct_handle_specs.jpg
>

GG's
Here are some pictures of my octagonal boxwood handled chisels.
Starting with the set of 12
http://www.peterm
cbride.com/temp/oct_chisels/set.jpg

With the rest of the long chisels and gouges
http://www.peter
mcbride.com/temp/oct_chisels/long.jpg

and a couple of pictures of the short ones.
http://www.pet
ermcbride.com/temp/oct_chisels/short1.jpg
http://www.pet
ermcbride.com/temp/oct_chisels/short2.jpg

Cheers,
Peter
In Main Ridge, VIC
Australia

Wow. That is some impressive tool pron!

On Oct 8, 2015 4:41 PM, "Peter McBride"  wrote:
>
> GG's
> Here are some pictures of my octagonal boxwood handled chisels.
> Starting with the set of 12
> http://www.pete
rmcbride.com/temp/oct_chisels/set.jpg
>
>

Well, I was feeling a little sorry for Peter - the poor boy only 84 chisels.

Then I noticed that these are just the Octagonal Boxwood handled subset 
of his entire set. Presumably then he can fill in the holes in this 
limited set with chisels with other types of handles.

On 2015-10-08 16:14, Peter McBride wrote:
> GG's
> Here are some pictures of my octagonal boxwood handled chisels.
> Starting with the set of 12
> http://www.pete
rmcbride.com/temp/oct_chisels/set.jpg
>
> With the rest of the long chisels and gouges
> http://www.pet
ermcbride.com/temp/oct_chisels/long.jpg
>
> and a couple of pictures of the short ones.
> http://www.p
etermcbride.com/temp/oct_chisels/short1.jpg
> http://www.p
etermcbride.com/temp/oct_chisels/short2.jpg

Brent
Who has never laid all his chisels out in one place but knows they would 
not look half as good as Peters. I will have to start haunting the 
auctions again, it would appear.
-- 
Brent Beach
Victoria, BC, Canada

Peter, 
There is a unique slim sexy narrow waisted chisel handle 7th from the left
probably 3/4" firmer chisel on your picture of the "short" chisels.  Who made
that one?  I really like the handle!

Brent A Kinsey
Brentpmed@c...


On Oct 8, 2015, at 10:10 PM, Brent Beach  wrote:

> Well, I was feeling a little sorry for Peter - the poor boy only 84 chisels.
> 
> Then I noticed that these are just the Octagonal Boxwood handled subset of his
entire set. Presumably then he can fill in the holes in this limited set with
chisels with other types of handles.
> 
> On 2015-10-08 16:14, Peter McBride wrote:
>> GG's
>> Here are some pictures of my octagonal boxwood handled chisels.
>> Starting with the set of 12
>> http://www.pet
ermcbride.com/temp/oct_chisels/set.jpg
>> 
>> With the rest of the long chisels and gouges
>> http://www.pe
termcbride.com/temp/oct_chisels/long.jpg
>> 
>> and a couple of pictures of the short ones.
>> http://www.
petermcbride.com/temp/oct_chisels/short1.jpg
>> http://www.
petermcbride.com/temp/oct_chisels/short2.jpg
> 
> Brent
> Who has never laid all his chisels out in one place but knows they would not
look half as good as Peters. I will have to start haunting the auctions again,
it would appear.
> -- 
> Brent Beach
> Victoria, BC, Canada
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Brent,
That is a 7/16 firmer from Mathieson.
Do you want a carefully taken picture with the critical dimensions on it 
for copying?

Cheers,
Peter
In Main Ridge, VIC
Australia

On 9/10/2015 3:03 PM, Brent Kinsey wrote:
> Peter,
> There is a unique slim sexy narrow waisted chisel handle 7th from the left
probably 3/4" firmer chisel on your picture of the "short" chisels.  Who made
that one?  I really like the handle!
>
> Brent A Kinsey
> Brentpmed@c...
>
>
>

D*mn,Peter, that is so much more than a collection of those things.  Did you
find them all in Australia?  I don’t think I have seen more than 3-4 in the wild
and I live in Old Tool Heck.


Ed Minch




On Oct 8, 2015, at 7:14 PM, Peter McBride  wrote:

> GG's
> Here are some pictures of my octagonal boxwood handled chisels.
> Starting with the set of 12
> http://www.pete
rmcbride.com/temp/oct_chisels/set.jpg
> 
> With the rest of the long chisels and gouges
> http://www.pet
ermcbride.com/temp/oct_chisels/long.jpg
> 
> and a couple of pictures of the short ones.
> http://www.p
etermcbride.com/temp/oct_chisels/short1.jpg
> http://www.p
etermcbride.com/temp/oct_chisels/short2.jpg
> 
> Cheers,
> Peter

D*mn,Peter, that is so much more than a collection of those things.  Did you
find them all in Australia?  I don’t think I have seen more than 3-4 in the wild
and I live in Old Tool Heck.


Ed Minch




On Oct 8, 2015, at 7:14 PM, Peter McBride  wrote:

> GG's
> Here are some pictures of my octagonal boxwood handled chisels.
> Starting with the set of 12
> http://www.pete
rmcbride.com/temp/oct_chisels/set.jpg
> 
> With the rest of the long chisels and gouges
> http://www.pet
ermcbride.com/temp/oct_chisels/long.jpg
> 
> and a couple of pictures of the short ones.
> http://www.p
etermcbride.com/temp/oct_chisels/short1.jpg
> http://www.p
etermcbride.com/temp/oct_chisels/short2.jpg
> 
> Cheers,
> Peter

Peter answered Brent: "That is a 7/16 firmer from Mathieson."
I was wondering about the dark color of that one. Is it a different wood, or
discolored varnish, or what?
Many thanks for posting the dimensions of the set. This is just what I will need
if I ever fill in the set of short Bucks I am working on (I have 4 sizes out of
at least 9 needed, and a fill rate that suggests the project will easily outlive
me...)
Tom Conroy

Tom,
Yes, it is the disoloured coating.
Cheers,
Peter,
In Main Ridge, VIC
Australia


On 12/10/2015 12:36 PM, Thomas Conroy wrote:
> Peter answered Brent: "That is a 7/16 firmer from Mathieson."
>
> I was wondering about the dark color of that one. Is it a different 
> wood, or discolored varnish, or what?
>
> Many thanks for posting the dimensions of the set. This is just what I 
> will need if I ever fill in the set of short Bucks I am working on (I 
> have 4 sizes out of at least 9 needed, and a fill rate that suggests 
> the project will easily outlive me...)
>
> Tom Conroy

Hi Ed,
Yes, all found in Australia.
Some from auction, (not web based) some from garage clean outs & garage 
sales ... and there is always plenty to be had at a three times a year 
HTPAA tool sales.
Here is a pic of a lovely little screw driver, saw it on a friends bench 
in a shed, and he asked if I wanted it ??  !!!
It was passed down to him from a grandfather. He's not a tool bloke, any 
screwdriver would do for him.
6  3/4 in long, blade 3/16 in.
http://ww
w.petermcbride.com/temp/oct_chisels/boxwood_scr.jpg

Cheers,
Peter In Main Ridge, VIC
Australia

On 12/10/2015 9:06 AM, Ed Minch wrote:
> D*mn,Peter, that is so much more than a collection of those things.  Did you
find them all in Australia?  I don’t think I have seen more than 3-4 in the wild
and I live in Old Tool Heck.
>
>
> Ed Minch
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 8, 2015, at 7:14 PM, Peter McBride  wrote:
>
>> GG's
>> Here are some pictures of my octagonal boxwood handled chisels.
>> Starting with the set of 12
>> http://www.pet
ermcbride.com/temp/oct_chisels/set.jpg
>>
>> With the rest of the long chisels and gouges
>> http://www.pe
termcbride.com/temp/oct_chisels/long.jpg
>>
>> and a couple of pictures of the short ones.
>> http://www.
petermcbride.com/temp/oct_chisels/short1.jpg
>> http://www.
petermcbride.com/temp/oct_chisels/short2.jpg
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Peter
>
>

I once asked one of my friends why he makes all his tool handles the same size,
he replied “cause I’ve only got one size of hand”
Mark Fortune
Ireland

Mark Fortune wrote:
> I once asked one of my friends why he makes all his tool handles the same
size, he replied “cause I’ve only got one size of hand”

I'd love to see his pin hammer and sledge hammer side by side :-)

  BugBear