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254102 "John M Johnston (jmjhnstn)" <jmjhnstn@m...> 2015‑03‑26 Re: shellac shocker and questions
I have used Zinser Amber Shellac from the Borg with great success.  I was told
it was about a 3 pound cut from the can, and I mix it two parts denatured
alcohol to one part shellac.  I use and  multiple coats.  This is my go to
finish.  I have some ruby flakes that I've been itching to try on walnut, and am
working on and off (in between building rude garage storage shelves for the LSU)
on a walnut base for an 18th century trophy drum table that is a prime
candidate.



When stored in cool dry conditions, how long will flakes last?



And, in a related question, anyone used seedlac on a project?   I've been
following the Colonial Williamsburg Hay Shop build of two reproductions of
Washington's field bed that are finished with seedlac.   In Don Williams recent
historical finishes DVD (Excellent!) he also talks about seedlac.



Here's hoping your workbench is cluttered with an ongoing project,

John



John M. Johnston

"P.S. If you do not receive this, of course it must have been miscarried;
therefore I beg you to write and let me know." - Sir Boyle Roche, M.P.



-----Original Message-----
From: OldTools [mailto:oldtools-
bounces@s...] On Behalf Of scott grandstaff
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 3:33 PM
To: porch
Subject: Re: [OldTools] shellac shocker



I see that Zinsser (the pre-mixed shellac people) is now owned by Rustoleum. I
see their clear and amber shellac in my local hardware store for about $14 a
quart. I think it's a 4-lb cut.
254104 Ed Minch <ruby@m...> 2015‑03‑26 Re: Shellac shocker and questions
> John M. Johnston
> Here's hoping your workbench is cluttered with an ongoing project,
> 

Anybody want to show a quick shot of their bench?  Sort of like a come-as-you-
are party.

I’ll kick it off:

htt
ps://www.flickr.com/photos/ruby1638/16938187682/in/photostream/

2 shots - a guitar fretboard in the works out of quarter sawn cherry, an oak
body in the mold, some gold leaf samples for bling, and even a bottle of shellac

Ed Minch
254105 William Ghio <bghio@m...> 2015‑03‑26 Re: Shellac shocker and questions
On Mar 26, 2015, at 5:03 PM, Ed Minch  wrote:

> 
>> John M. Johnston
>> Here's hoping your workbench is cluttered with an ongoing project,
>> 
> 
> Anybody want to show a quick shot of their bench?  Sort of like a come-as-you-
are party.
> 
> I’ll kick it off:
> 
> h
ttps://www.flickr.com/photos/ruby1638/16938187682/in/photostream/
> 
> 2 shots - a guitar fretboard in the works out of quarter sawn cherry, an oak
body in the mold, some gold leaf samples for bling, and even a bottle of shellac


I'll play. One of a pair of nesting tables. Cherry w/ Sycamore burl for bling.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/77280442@N.../16751892468/in/set-72157649
257982803">https://www.flickr.com/photos/77280442@N.../16751892468/in/set-721576
49257982803

Bill
254107 "John M Johnston (jmjhnstn)" <jmjhnstn@m...> 2015‑03‑26 Re: Shellac shocker and questions
Ed, I had been thinking that very thing a couple of days ago!   

Here we are, visible projects include: cutting coin slots in the top of plastic
containers so the grandtwins can put coins in;  a dovetailed pine reinforcing
band around the top of a 32 year old wooden ice chest (my very first dovetail
project); rude shelves in the garage;  and the rest of the stuff is crap that
needs a place to be.

http://galootcentral.com/component/option,com_copperminevis/Itemid,2/pl
ace,displayimage/album,lastup/cat,0/pos,0/">http://galootcentral.com/component/o
ption,com_copperminevis/Itemid,2/place,displayimage/album,lastup/cat,0/pos,0/

or

http://tinyurl.com/kowj26f



John M. Johnston
 "P.S. If you do not receive this, of course it must have been miscarried;
therefore I beg you to write and let me know." - Sir Boyle Roche, M.P.


-----Original Message-----
From: Ed Minch [mailto:ruby@m...] 
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 5:04 PM
To: John M Johnston (jmjhnstn)
Cc: porch
Subject: Re: Shellac shocker and questions


> John M. Johnston
> Here's hoping your workbench is cluttered with an ongoing project,
> 

Anybody want to show a quick shot of their bench?  Sort of like a come-as-you-
are party.

I'll kick it off:
254110 Darrell & Kathy <larchmont@s...> 2015‑03‑26 Re: Shellac shocker and questions
On 26/03/2015 5:03 PM, Ed Minch wrote:
>
 >> John M. Johnston Here's hoping your workbench is cluttered with an
 >> ongoing project,
 >
 > Anybody want to show a quick shot of their bench?  Sort of like a
 > come-as-you-are party.
 >
 > I’ll kick it off:

Well, here's my bench tonight.
Most of that mess is not mine, it belongs to SWMBO.
My work-in-progress is stacked in a corner, waiting for her to finish.

http://galootcentral.com/components/cpgalbums/userpics/10074/messybench
.jpg">http://galootcentral.com/components/cpgalbums/userpics/10074/messybench.jp
g

-- 
Darrell LaRue
Oakville ON
Wood Hoarder, Blade Sharpener, and Occasional Tool User
254111 Dwight Beebe <dwb1124@g...> 2015‑03‑27 Re: Shellac shocker and questions
Oooh, John.  It looks like your spokeshaves have been breeding unnoticed.
There appear to be about 21 shaves oh so nicely arranged along the rack.
I'd leave the lights on more.

I think I'd better check my shop, too.

On Thu, Mar 26, 2015 at 5:48 PM, John M Johnston (jmjhnstn) <
jmjhnstn@m...> wrote:

> Ed, I had been thinking that very thing a couple of days ago!
>
> Here we are, visible projects include: cutting coin slots in the top of
> plastic containers so the grandtwins can put coins in;  a dovetailed pine
> reinforcing band around the top of a 32 year old wooden ice chest (my very
> first dovetail project); rude shelves in the garage;  and the rest of the
> stuff is crap that needs a place to be.
>
>
> http://galootcentral.com/component/option,com_copperminevis/Itemid,2/
place,displayimage/album,lastup/cat,0/pos,0/">http://galootcentral.com/component
/option,com_copperminevis/Itemid,2/place,displayimage/album,lastup/cat,0/pos,0/<
/a>
>
> or
>
> http://tinyurl.com/kowj26f
>
>
>
> John M. Johnston
>  "P.S. If you do not receive this, of course it must have been miscarried;
> therefore I beg you to write and let me know." - Sir Boyle Roche, M.P.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ed Minch [mailto:ruby@m...]
> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 5:04 PM
> To: John M Johnston (jmjhnstn)
> Cc: porch
> Subject: Re: Shellac shocker and questions
>
>
> > John M. Johnston
> > Here's hoping your workbench is cluttered with an ongoing project,
> >
>
> Anybody want to show a quick shot of their bench?  Sort of like a
> come-as-you-are party.
>
> I'll kick it off:
>
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254112 Anthony Seo <tonyseo@p...> 2015‑03‑27 Re: Shellac shocker and questions
On 3/26/2015 7:59 PM, Darrell & Kathy wrote:
> On 26/03/2015 5:03 PM, Ed Minch wrote:
>>
> >> John M. Johnston Here's hoping your workbench is cluttered with an
> >> ongoing project,
> >
> > Anybody want to show a quick shot of their bench?  Sort of like a
> > come-as-you-are party.

Well here is mine....  And while it may look like a disaster zone, I've 
been slowly clearing it.  When I started the debris field was a good 12" 
high over more of the bench and I had a spot about 18" long and 6" wide 
clear at the edge around the center....

Found a few goodies lurking there as well...

http:
//oldetoolshop.com/jointer/benchpics/workbench03262015a.jpg

Tony (where the rain is coming down...)

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254113 Phil Schempf <philschempf@g...> 2015‑03‑27 Re: Shellac shocker and questions
I feel better now, but I still think mine looks like Tony's used to before
he cleaned it up.

Phil
254114 Darrell & Kathy <larchmont@s...> 2015‑03‑27 Re: Shellac shocker and questions
On 26/03/2015 8:43 PM, Dwight Beebe wrote:
> Oooh, John.  It looks like your spokeshaves have been breeding unnoticed.
> There appear to be about 21 shaves oh so nicely arranged along the rack.
> I'd leave the lights on more.
>

Dwight, I think you're seeing my bench there, with the Rack-O-Shaves behind it.
I suspect John's link was 'latest upload' instead of a direct link.
And you better count those shaves again, the Stanley #64's on the right
half of the rack are doubled up.  They're an, um, weakness of mine 

-- 
Darrell LaRue
Oakville ON
Wood Hoarder, Blade Sharpener, and Occasional Tool User
254115 John Holladay <docholladay0820@g...> 2015‑03‑27 Re: Shellac shocker and questions
Well,  I'm pretty sure that I have the happiest workbench.

http://lumberjocks.com/projects/
30063

Doc

John Holladay
205-229-8484
docholladay0820@g...
254116 David Nighswander <wishingstarfarm663@m...> 2015‑03‑27 Re: Shellac shocker and questions
>From: Ed Minch
>> John M. Johnston
>> Here's hoping your workbench is cluttered with an ongoing project,

>Anybody want to show a quick shot of their bench?  Sort of like a come-as-you-
are party.

https://www.facebook.com/252222441610151/photos/pcb.440513909447669/440
513656114361/?type=1">https://www.facebook.com/252222441610151/photos/pcb.440513
909447669/440513656114361/?type=1


or http://tinyurl.com/otfewy3
254117 Michael Blair <branson2@s...> 2015‑03‑27 Re: Shellac shocker and questions
> They're an, um, weakness of mine  

You say that like it's a bad thing.

There's just something about spokeshaves.  My favorites are
the #53 and #54 pattern. I've got two hanging over one work bench
and another in the tool tray on another bench.

But I have to admit my shop most closely resembles Tony's.

Mike in Sacto
254118 Gary Caron <caronfamily1@g...> 2015‑03‑27 Re: Shellac shocker and questions
OK here's my bench, needs a bit of spring cleaning,

htt
ps://www.dropbox.com/s/riwsdg2ofinu74r/20150327_061931.jpg?dl=0

and here's the grand gits bench (when he's in town), ditto the cleaning,

htt
ps://www.dropbox.com/s/6wg8jhmx330l74r/20150327_062034.jpg?dl=0

mahogany clock case in process, and partially completed pine model.

Gary Caron
York PA



On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 6:49 AM, Michael Blair  wrote:

> They're an, um, weakness of mine  
>>
>
> You say that like it's a bad thing.
>
> There's just something about spokeshaves.  My favorites are
> the #53 and #54 pattern. I've got two hanging over one work bench
> and another in the tool tray on another bench.
>
> But I have to admit my shop most closely resembles Tony's.
>
> Mike in Sacto
>
>
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254122 Ed Minch <ruby@m...> 2015‑03‑27 Re: Fwd: Re: Shellac shocker and questions
Doc

That shot of the GIT-bench  reminded of the one in my shop.  It is a “Community
Playthings” bench I got at a local auction for $10 complete with vice - and I
got it right when I was considering what vice to buy for the GIT bench I was
about to build!

My 5 yr old grandson likes any tools that are small, so he has all of my small
hammers, screwdrivers, pliers, etc, as well as a tool belt that matches mine.
One question?  How do you keep a GIT supplied with small drill bits to fit the
eggbeater when they break one every 4th hole??

https://www.flickr
.com/photos/ruby1638/16920051536/

Ed Minch
254123 Michael Blair <branson2@s...> 2015‑03‑27 Re: Fwd: Re: Shellac shocker and questions
>  How do you keep a GIT supplied with small drill bits to fit the 
> eggbeater when
they break one every 4th hole??

Harbor Freight bit sets, especially when on sale.

Mike in Sacto
254125 galoot@l... 2015‑03‑27 Re: Fwd: Re: Shellac shocker and questions
Quoting Michael Blair :

>>   How do you keep a GIT supplied with small drill bits to fit the 
>> eggbeater when
> they break one every 4th hole??
>
> Harbor Freight bit sets, especially when on sale.
>
I would limit the minimum diameter of the bit to at least 1/8".  Any 
recycle tool stores around (like a used clothes store but tools)?  We 
have one locally to benefit an old folks home, lots of electrikery and 
hardware and gadening as well as galoot interests, but drill bits at 
$.25, $.50 if sharpened are a good deal.  Where I go if I need a spade 
or lost my trowel again, but I browse every time I get prescriptions 
refilled since they are right next door....

Esther
254126 Kirk Eppler <eppler.kirk@g...> 2015‑03‑27 Re: Fwd: Re: Shellac shocker and questions
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 7:55 AM, Ed Minch  wrote:

> How do you keep a GIT supplied with small drill bits to fit the eggbeater
> when they break one every 4th hole??


Using the stubby drill bits help.  Also, buying tool boxes full of crap
isn't a bad idea, as you get lots of mismatched drill bits cheap.  Just
look at all the oddball sizes in this pic.

http://kirkhmb.smugmug.com/Woodworking/Woodworking-Tools/2707230_9kxLdx
#!i=3942996774&k=39JNPm6">http://kirkhmb.smugmug.com/Woodworking/Woodworking-
Tools/2707230_9kxLdx#!i=3942996774&k=39JNPm6


And as someone else said keep the bigger than 1/8".  And don't give them
the fluted ones, those things are gold.

-- 
Kirk Eppler in HMB, running between meetings.
254127 John Ruth <johnrruth@h...> 2015‑03‑27 Re: Fwd: Re: Shellac shocker and questions
GG's:
 
Did anyone else chuckle when they read this from Kirk?
> 
> Using the stubby drill bits help.  Also, buying tool boxes full of crap
> isn't a bad idea, as you get lots of mismatched drill bits cheap. 
>
 
Fantasy: "It's perfectly all right to buy this box full of crap. I'll divide it
into three piles, Keep, Sell, and Trash.  Prolly get back most of the purchase
price selling the stuff I don't want."
 
Reality: If you are lucky, you will actually trash the trash. The in-need-of-
restoration box and the rest of the tools will hang around your shop until it
becomes part of your estate!
 
I learned long ago, right here on this Porch, that the best way to get a good
price on the contents of a box of tools is to offer to buy the whole box. Works
just about every time, but especially at pack-up time at a Flea Market.
 
John Ruth
254128 "Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq" <rohrabacher@e...> 2015‑03‑27 Re: shellac shocker and questions
On 3/26/2015 4:42 PM, John M Johnston (jmjhnstn) wrote:
> When stored in cool dry conditions, how long will flakes last?

How long you got?   At least a thousand times that.

>
>
> And, in a related question, anyone used seedlac on a project?

  Isn't seedlac just shellac in a form they call seed?
You know there's buttons flakes and seeds?
254129 Darrell & Kathy <larchmont@s...> 2015‑03‑28 Re: Fwd: Re: Shellac shocker and questions
On 27/03/2015 10:55 AM, Ed Minch wrote:

> How do you keep a GIT supplied  with small drill bits to fit
 > the eggbeater when they break one every 4th hole??

A part box of finishing nails from a yard sale is like 10 cents.
Clip the heads off and you got 'good enough' drill bits by the
fistful. For the really keen drillers, a file will sharpen the business
end in about 4 seconds.  Just file the flats so the arises are sharp.

-- 
Darrell LaRue
Oakville ON
Wood Hoarder, Blade Sharpener, and Occasional Tool User
254130 Thomas Conroy 2015‑03‑28 Re: Shellac shocker and questions
Phil Schempf wrote:
"I feel better now, but I still think mine looks like Tony's used to before
he cleaned it up."

What he said. 

Only I have two main benches, woodwork and bookbinding, and they are both like
Tony's used to be. Usually I manage to keep just enough free space to work on
one or the other, and the clutter flows back and forth like unsecured cargo in
the hold of a ship. But I was sick in Feb. so things drifted in, and I haven't
been able to excavate down to bedrock yet. I'm reduced to working on a Workmate
on the porch.

It's lucky we don't get eight-foot snowdrifts out here.
Tom Conroy
254131 Michael Blair <branson2@s...> 2015‑03‑28 Re: Fwd: Re: Shellac shocker and questions
> A part box of finishing nails from a yard sale is like 10 cents.
> Clip the heads off and you got 'good enough' drill bits by the
> fistful.

Duh!  Why didn't I remember that?  My grandfather taught me about
Using headless finish nails decades ago.  Used the idea many more
times than can be counted.  And filing the flats on the tip of the
nail?  Now it's a sort of mini-birdcage awl.

Mike in Sacto
254132 Ed Minch <ruby@m...> 2015‑03‑28 Re: Fwd: Re: Shellac shocker and questions
And to think I have used that trick myself - DUH

Ed Minch




On Mar 27, 2015, at 11:12 PM, Darrell & Kathy  wrote:
> 
> A part box of finishing nails from a yard sale is like 10 cents.
> Clip the heads off and you got 'good enough' drill bits by the
> fistful. For the really keen drillers, a file will sharpen the business
> end in about 4 seconds.  Just file the flats so the arises are sharp.
> 
> -- 
> Darrell LaRue
> Oakville ON
> Wood Hoarder, Blade Sharpener, and Occasional Tool User
>

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