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253253 David Nighswander <wishingstarfarm663@m...> 2015‑01‑28 Re: Veritas Custom Planes - more than a review
>But the fact that forward force is transmitted to the Stanley (and just about
any
>other 19th Century plane) is clearly proved by the classic breaks found in
plane
>totes.  It is inarguable that these breaks are the result of forward force
applied to
>the top of the tote. 
>Mike in Sacto

I beg to differ with the issue of hand pressure damaging plane totes. 
I buy broken planes. All makes. All models. I have several that are in the
process of being patched together and several more that have survived the
experience and are happily making shavings. I have only the evidence before me
to draw my conclusions from but I have noticed that on the planes that have
broken totes, either the horn chipped or the tote cracked about 1” or less up
from the base, they also have a distinct bend in the lateral adjuster and quite
often a damaged knob. Some even have bends in the top of the blade and chips in
the frog casting. On the basis of those observations I believe they have managed
to land on their tops after being dropped.
I also recycle wood in the projects that I somehow manage to work into my busy
schedule. Most of the stuff has knots and twisted grain that can stop even my
heavy Stanley 5 1/4 in mid stroke.
While I tip the scales at just less than 300 and tend to be aggressive in my
actions I have yet to damage a tote on any plane by using it properly.
The same holds true for the few wooden and transitional planes that have fallen
into my hands. They bear the signs of impact on the tops, ends, and sides but no
indication of hand pressure snapping off the base or horn of a tote.

Dave N. 
aka Old Sneelock
253258 John Holladay <docholladay0820@g...> 2015‑01‑28 Re: Veritas Custom Planes - more than a review
I tend to agree with David's opinion.  I probably haven't repaired as many
as he has, but I have repaired quite a few with broken totes.  The vast
majority that I have repaired appear to have been dropped or in some way
had an impact (perhaps something dropped onto them).  In my own use, I've
never had one break during use, as yet.  The ones that I have repaired (in
most cases, simply gluing them if the break is clean) have help up very
nicely to normal use.  In some cases, you can barely even tell they were
ever broken.  One other thing I have noted on a few, the rod that runs
through the tote to attach it to the plane has been bent of a few - also
indicating they might have been dropped, IMHO.

Doc


John Holladay
DocHolladay0820@g...
205-229-8484
253270 Michael Blair <branson2@s...> 2015‑01‑29 Re: Broken totes
> On the basis of those observations I believe they have
> managed to land on their tops after being dropped.

I have a little difficulty understanding how many could
manage to land such a way as to break the tote.  Seems
like many another point of contact would be more likely,
but you have a point.  I'll go inspect the bevy of broke
tote planes in my shop and see what other damage I can
see.

Mike in Sacto
253272 David Carradine <David.Carradine@b...> 2015‑01‑29 Re: Broken totes
GG's,

Since this has become a thread on broken totes I have to ask if anyone has a
good way of recycling broken totes.  I don't mean the ones that you have both
broken bits of that can be glued back together, but rather those ones that you
get with a box of plane parts (all perfectly usable of course) where they are
broken off an inch (25.4mm) or so from the top and the broken off part is long
gone.  I could give them to the guy at the market who makes steampunk guns to
use as handles, but I was thinking there may be a better way to recycle them.
Any suggestions?

Many thanks,
GH


Snip: 'll go inspect the bevy of broke
tote planes in my shop and see what other damage I can
see.
253273 "Adam R. Maxwell" <amaxwell@m...> 2015‑01‑29 Re: Veritas Custom Planes - more than a review
> On Jan 28, 2015, at 10:13 , David Nighswander  wrote:
> 
>> But the fact that forward force is transmitted to the Stanley (and just about
any
>> other 19th Century plane) is clearly proved by the classic breaks found in
plane
>> totes.  It is inarguable that these breaks are the result of forward force
applied to
>> the top of the tote. 
>> Mike in Sacto
> 
> I beg to differ with the issue of hand pressure damaging plane totes. 

I think you could break a tote if the nut on the rod
loosens up; I have a couple with intact horns, but the
grip was broken horizontally in the middle. One is a
Sargent, so it's a mahogany tote instead of rosewood.

Grandpa and great-grandpa are both gone, so I've no idea
how these were broken…but there are no obvious signs of
drop damage. I suppose rattling around in a toolbox could
do it, too.

Adam
253276 researchr1--- 2015‑01‑29 Re: Broken totes
I use pieces cut from broken totes to repair chips and gouges in other totes and
knobs. Brazilian rosewood, used in early totes, is not available from any modern
source, so I save every scrap that I get.
Bob PageIn da U.P. of Michigan
      From: David Carradine 
 To: Michael Blair ; David Nighswander  
Cc: "oldtools@s..."  
 Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 8:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [OldTools] Broken totes
   
GG's,

Since this has become a thread on broken totes I have to ask if anyone has a
good way of recycling broken totes.  I don't mean the ones that you have both
broken bits of that can be glued back together, but rather those ones that you
get with a box of plane parts (all perfectly usable of course) where they are
broken off an inch (25.4mm) or so from the top and the broken off part is long
gone.  I could give them to the guy at the market who makes steampunk guns to
use as handles, but I was thinking there may be a better way to recycle them.
Any suggestions?

Many thanks,
GH


Snip: 'll go inspect the bevy of broke


tote planes in my shop and see what other damage I can
see.
253277 Mick Dowling <spacelysprocket@b...> 2015‑01‑29 Re: Broken totes
GGs

There's often enough salvageable wood in the base of the tote in front of
the rod to repair the tip off a horn. Done it many times, and while it's
never a perfect match it is better than using some other species of timber.

To short circuit the usual 'duck and run' suspects, OBVIOUSLY this can't be
achieved in the same tote.

Mick Dowling
Melbourne
Member, Hand Tool Preservation Association of Australia Inc.



On 29/01/2015 12:52 pm, "David Carradine" 
wrote:

> GG's,
> 
> Since this has become a thread on broken totes I have to ask if anyone has a
> good way of recycling broken totes.  I don't mean the ones that you have both
> broken bits of that can be glued back together, but rather those ones that you
> get with a box of plane parts (all perfectly usable of course) where they are
> broken off an inch (25.4mm) or so from the top and the broken off part is long
> gone.  I could give them to the guy at the market who makes steampunk guns to
> use as handles, but I was thinking there may be a better way to recycle them.
> Any suggestions? 
> 
> Many thanks,
> GH
253278 Dragon List <dragon01list@g...> 2015‑01‑29 Re: Broken totes
Mick, i have heard tell it can be done after using a left-handed
tote-stretcher...I'd imagine there might be one in that recovered toolbox
of Henry Hoke ;)

Best,
Bill
Felton, CA

On Wednesday, January 28, 2015, Mick Dowling 
wrote:
>
>
> To short circuit the usual 'duck and run' suspects, OBVIOUSLY this can't be
> achieved in the same tote.
>
253279 Dragon List <dragon01list@g...> 2015‑01‑29 Re: Broken totes
Mick, i have heard tell it can be done after using a left-handed
tote-stretcher...I'd imagine there might be one in that recovered toolbox
of Henry Hoke ;)

Best,
Bill
Felton, CA

On Wednesday, January 28, 2015, Mick Dowling > wrote:
>
>
> To short circuit the usual 'duck and run' suspects, OBVIOUSLY this can't be
> achieved in the same tote.
>
253281 Michael Blair <branson2@s...> 2015‑01‑29 Re: Broken totes
> Mick, i have heard tell it can be done after using a left-handed
> tote-stretcher...

Well, yes, but the results won't be satisfactory if you don't have
the board fluffer to fatten it up after.  (the right handed fluffer
can be used).

Mike in Sacto
253282 Michael Blair <branson2@s...> 2015‑01‑29 Re: Veritas Custom Planes - more than a review
> I think you could break a tote if the nut on the rod
> loosens up; I have a couple with intact horns, but the
> grip was broken horizontally in the middle.

That's what I've been considering.  One of my #5 Stanleys
definitely has damage to the horn on the tote as well,
and the break in this tote could be part of a dropping
episode.

I still have to look at the others to see if there is
other evidence of dropping damage.  All of them have that
horizontal break somewhere near the middle.  I have four
or five with this break.

Mike in Sacto
253308 Mick Dowling <spacelysprocket@b...> 2015‑01‑30 Re: Broken totes
GGs

Here is what I have long assumed to be a factory attempt to reinforce the
larger sized Stanley totes around the front screw;
http://tinyurl.com/oqb3mam

Didn't work as the picture shows, and in fact creates a large area of short
grain.

Never seen another.

Mick Dowling
Melbourne
Member, Hand Tool Preservation Association of Australia Inc.




On 29/01/2015 12:52 pm, "David Carradine" 
wrote:

> GG's,
> 
> Since this has become a thread on broken totes I have to ask if anyone has a
> good way of recycling broken totes.  I don't mean the ones that you have both
> broken bits of that can be glued back together, but rather those ones that you
> get with a box of plane parts (all perfectly usable of course) where they are
> broken off an inch (25.4mm) or so from the top and the broken off part is long
> gone.  I could give them to the guy at the market who makes steampunk guns to
> use as handles, but I was thinking there may be a better way to recycle them.
> Any suggestions? 
> 
> Many thanks,
> GH
> 
> 
> Snip: 'll go inspect the bevy of broke
> tote planes in my shop and see what other damage I can
> see.
> 
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253310 Thomas Conroy 2015‑01‑30 Re: Broken totes
GH wrote: "Since this has become a thread on broken totes I have to ask if
anyone has a good way of recycling broken totes..."

At times you may find that one broken tote provides the rosewood for repairing
another broken tote, or some other tool handle.

Tom Conroy
253311 Thomas Conroy 2015‑01‑30 Re: Broken totes
From: David Nighswander wrote: "There may be a way for someone to break a tote
that is outside my meager knowledge..... I've often wondered how far a plane
would have to fall to generate that level of force..."

I believe that using a #8 as a pit bull deterrent device puts greater strains on
the handle than those from normal planing, and puts them on at different angles.
Breaks in smaller planes? Well, there are smaller dogs that sometimes need
deterring. I can see a gradation of use down to a #1 for deterring chihuahuas.
Those little dogs are fast, so a lighter,more maneuverable deterrent device
seems advisable....In fact, this may be the solution for the oft-debated
question of what a #1 is good for...

Tom Conroy
ducking and running

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