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253086 Ron Harper <kokomorontoo@g...> 2015‑01‑22 Shooting plane
I have been here for a very long time.  I fully understand that we have
been called the support group from the ether regions. However, I am looking
for an honest answer.  I have been thinking of a shooting plane foe a
while. The Veritas, and the Philly come to mind, and I actually have the
skills to build my own strike block plane.

I recently re ground my iron to 23 degrees on my 605 1/2 c. And I get
tissue thin shavings on cherry end grain when I use it in my shooting
board.  Am I likely to get enough of an enhanced performance with a real
shooter to justify the cost or hassle?
253088 John Holladay <docholladay0820@g...> 2015‑01‑22 Re: Shooting plane
Ron,

In my very limited experience,  probably not much improvement other than
ergonomics of use.

Doc
253089 Dragon List <dragon01list@g...> 2015‑01‑22 Re: Shooting plane
ron, i use a 606 for my shooting board, with about 25 degrees on the
bevel.  works a treat, and i haven't had any problems with using it rather
than a dedicated shoot plane.

that said, john's statement about ergonomics is spot on.  after a while,
the shape gets uncomfortable to use.  i could make a derek cohen-esque "hot
dog" for it, but haven't found it was *necessary*, yet.

of course, if i stumbled upon an actual shoot plane of quality and at a
good price, i wouldn't hesitate to purchase it.  slope grease, don't ya
know.

bill
felton, ca


On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 12:06 PM, John Holladay 
wrote:

> Ron,
>
> In my very limited experience,  probably not much improvement other than
> ergonomics of use.
>
> Doc
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253091 JAMES THOMPSON <oldmillrat@m...> 2015‑01‑22 Re: Shooting plane
On Jan 22, 2015, at 11:53 AM, Ron Harper  wrote:

> I recently re ground my iron to 23 degrees on my 605 1/2 c. And I get
> tissue thin shavings on cherry end grain when I use it in my shooting
> board.  Am I likely to get enough of an enhanced performance with a real
> shooter to justify the cost or hassle?

Well, no. But when did that ever deter a Galoot from acquiring more tools????
253092 Brent Kinsey <brentpmed@c...> 2015‑01‑22 Re: Shooting plane
Ron, it sounds like you are getting as good performance as I do with a Lie
Nielsen 62 low angle plane.  I think I would lean towards making a strike block
plane, knowing that I wasn't necessary, but great to make and use

Sent from my iPhone
Brent Kinsey
>
253095 "Chuck Taylor" <cft98208@g...> 2015‑01‑22 Re: Shooting plane
Bill in Felton wrote:

> of course, if i stumbled upon an actual shoot plane of quality and at a
> good price, i wouldn't hesitate to purchase it. 

That kinda depends on what you mean by "a good price". I saw one for sale
last Saturday at a PNTC meeting in Seattle. It was a Stanley #9 in mint
condition, complete with the hot dog. The price? $2,100. I'd say that would be
a good price--if you are the seller and if you can find a buyer at that price.

Cheers,
Chuck Taylor
north of Seattle
253100 Frank Sronce <dilloworks@s...> 2015‑01‑23 Re: Shooting plane
For that price, I would sell them mine.  I'll even give them a discount because
the hotdog is not original.

Frank Sronce (Fort Worth Armadillo Works)

--------------------------------------------
 Chuck said"
 
 That kinda depends on what you mean by "a good price". I saw
 one for sale last Saturday at a PNTC meeting in Seattle. It was a Stanley
 #9 in mint condition, complete with the hot dog. The price? $2,100.
253103 Ed Minch <ruby@m...> 2015‑01‑23 Re: Shooting plane
Here is a handle I made for my #5 (Jack, Jeff) as explained by Alf a few years
ago - very “handy”

https://www.flickr.com/photos/ruby1638/15514822151/in/set-7215764634422
2304">https://www.flickr.com/photos/ruby1638/15514822151/in/set-7215764634422230
4


Ed Minch




On Jan 22, 2015, at 3:19 PM, Dragon List  wrote:

> that said, john's statement about ergonomics is spot on.  after a while,
> the shape gets uncomfortable to use.  i could make a derek cohen-esque "hot
> dog" for it, but haven't found it was *necessary*, yet.
253105 Dragon List <dragon01list@g...> 2015‑01‑23 Re: Shooting plane
Nice, Ed.  I was thinking if adapting an actual plane tote in a similar
way, with a bit of an angle so I would be pressing in a vector towards the
shoot board.

On Thursday, January 22, 2015, Ed Minch  wrote:

> Here is a handle I made for my #5 (Jack, Jeff) as explained by Alf a few
> years ago - very "handy"
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/ruby1638/15514822151/in/set-72157646344
222304">https://www.flickr.com/photos/ruby1638/15514822151/in/set-72157646344222
304
>
>
> Ed Minch
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 22, 2015, at 3:19 PM, Dragon List  > wrote:
>
> > that said, john's statement about ergonomics is spot on.  after a while,
> > the shape gets uncomfortable to use.  i could make a derek cohen-esque
> "hot
> > dog" for it, but haven't found it was *necessary*, yet.
>
>
253107 Ken Shepard <waruba@c...> 2015‑01‑23 Re: Shooting plane
Ron,

I've used a No. 5 1/2, a No. 604, and a LN No. 62 with a hotdog, and all
worked well, but the Veritas shooting plane is a step above.  The skewed
blade and greater weight make a noticeable difference, particularly on
hardwoods.  You can certainly do acceptable work with a tuned jack plane,
but a dedicated shooting plane is, as should be expected, better.

Ken Shepard

On Thu, Jan 22, 2015 at 2:53 PM, Ron Harper  wrote:

> I have been here for a very long time.  I fully understand that we have
> been called the support group from the ether regions. However, I am looking
> for an honest answer.  I have been thinking of a shooting plane foe a
> while. The Veritas, and the Philly come to mind, and I actually have the
> skills to build my own strike block plane.
>
> I recently re ground my iron to 23 degrees on my 605 1/2 c. And I get
> tissue thin shavings on cherry end grain when I use it in my shooting
> board.  Am I likely to get enough of an enhanced performance with a real
> shooter to justify the cost or hassle?
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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253108 paul womack <pwomack@p...> 2015‑01‑23 Re: Shooting plane
Ken Shepard wrote:
> Ron,
>
> I've used a No. 5 1/2, a No. 604, and a LN No. 62 with a hotdog, and all
> worked well, but the Veritas shooting plane is a step above.  The skewed
> blade and greater weight make a noticeable difference, particularly on
> hardwoods.  You can certainly do acceptable work with a tuned jack plane,
> but a dedicated shooting plane is, as should be expected, better.

Has any body ever seen (or even made) a wooden shooting
plane where the skew of the cutting edge is achieved
by rotating the bedding around a vertical axis
(like the Stanley 51) as opposed to having a skewed
bed and blade?

  BugBear
253109 Christopher Dunn <christopherdunn123@g...> 2015‑01‑23 Re: Shooting plane
Ron

I used to use a Stanley #5 for shooting, but switched to the #6
because it had more mass. The increased mass and increased kinetic
energy helps the plane from stalling out in the middle of the cut. I
use wooden planes for almost everything but shooting. In my option,
the more massive metal plane is much better for shooting.

The only problem with using my #6 was ergonomics. It felt like my hand
was contorted in a weird manner, and after a few minutes my fore arm
was really sore. I tried various methods of holding it, but I switched
over to LN #51 and the problem went away. The 45 degree angle of the
handle is really comfortable for me.

I did notice with the #51 I have a tendency to rotate the plane in a
clockwise manner in the cut, and therefore keeping your wrist from
rotating is important. As I'm shooting I'm always thinking "don't
rotate your wrist", "don't rotate your wrist" which takes some of the
pleasure out of shooting. The other option is to buy something like
this:

http://ticovogt.com/toolworks/index.php?main_page=product_info&products
_id=10">http://ticovogt.com/toolworks/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_
id=10

It holds the #51 in a fixed channel which prevents rotation. I tried
it at a woodworking show and it was great! No thinking, just push
forwards and backwards.

Thanks,
Chris
253115 Brent Beach <brent.beach@g...> 2015‑01‑23 Re: Shooting plane
I probably misunderstood Paul's question

On 2015-01-23 05:17, paul womack wrote:
> Has any body ever seen (or even made) a wooden shooting
> plane where the skew of the cutting edge is achieved
> by rotating the bedding around a vertical axis
> (like the Stanley 51) as opposed to having a skewed
> bed and blade?

but it occurred to me that you could make a skewed plane for shooting 
board use quite quickly from an old wooden smoother that was otherwise a 
beater, so I made a sketchup model.

http://www3.telus.ne
t/BrentBeach/Sharpen/Shooting board, modified
smoother v2.jpg

Now, because of the spaces you will almost certainly not be able to use 
that, so try this one

http://goo.gl/VRVMxW

Testing the new oldtools address as well.

Brent
-- 
Brent Beach
Victoria, BC, Canada
253117 Dragon List <dragon01list@g...> 2015‑01‑23 Re: Shooting plane
ooooh, me likie.  could be customized for tendency to push down or
sideways, so the final vector keeps it stable while moving forward.

thanks, great idea brent.

bill
felton, ca

On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 9:58 AM, Brent Beach  wrote:

> I probably misunderstood Paul's question
>
> On 2015-01-23 05:17, paul womack wrote:
>
>> Has any body ever seen (or even made) a wooden shooting
>> plane where the skew of the cutting edge is achieved
>> by rotating the bedding around a vertical axis
>> (like the Stanley 51) as opposed to having a skewed
>> bed and blade?
>>
>
> but it occurred to me that you could make a skewed plane for shooting
> board use quite quickly from an old wooden smoother that was otherwise a
> beater, so I made a sketchup model.
>
> http://www3.telus.
net/BrentBeach/Sharpen/Shooting board, modified
> smoother v2.jpg
>
> Now, because of the spaces you will almost certainly not be able to use
> that, so try this one
>
> http://goo.gl/VRVMxW
>
> Testing the new oldtools address as well.
>
> Brent
> --
> Brent Beach
> Victoria, BC, Canada
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253128 "Peter Evans" <peterrevans@o...> 2015‑01‑23 Re: Shooting plane
Brent, I have the Veritas SB plane, and like it a lot. Playing around in my
mind I wondered whether a Stanley 5.5 with a wooden wedge (full length of
plane) bolted to the side might work well. The additional benefit is one
might then place the plane into a track, just like a metal shooting plane. A
track will also work with your version of course.


Cheers
Peter

Peter Evans
Sydney, Australia

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Beach
Sent: Saturday, 24 January 2015 4:59 AM
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Subject: Re: [OldTools] Shooting plane

I probably misunderstood Paul's question

On 2015-01-23 05:17, paul womack wrote:
> Has any body ever seen (or even made) a wooden shooting plane where 
> the skew of the cutting edge is achieved by rotating the bedding 
> around a vertical axis (like the Stanley 51) as opposed to having a 
> skewed bed and blade?

but it occurred to me that you could make a skewed plane for shooting board
use quite quickly from an old wooden smoother that was otherwise a beater,
so I made a sketchup model.

http://www3.telus.ne
t/BrentBeach/Sharpen/Shooting board, modified smoother
v2.jpg

Now, because of the spaces you will almost certainly not be able to use
that, so try this one

http://goo.gl/VRVMxW

Testing the new oldtools address as well.

Brent
--
Brent Beach
Victoria, BC, Canada
253132 "Adam R. Maxwell" <amaxwell@m...> 2015‑01‑24 Re: Shooting plane
> On Jan 23, 2015, at 09:58 , Brent Beach  wrote:
> 
> but it occurred to me that you could make a skewed plane for shooting board
use quite quickly from an old wooden smoother that was otherwise a beater, so I
made a sketchup model.

Reminds me of John Manners' recommendation to just use a coffin
smoother, since you could skew the blade by rocking it on its
side. IIRC.

I'm genuinely curious what sort of material other galoots are
shooting and why, though.

Adam
253170 paul womack via OldTools <oldtools@s...> 2015‑01‑26 Re: Shooting plane
Peter Evans wrote:
> Brent, I have the Veritas SB plane, and like it a lot. Playing around in my
> mind I wondered whether a Stanley 5.5 with a wooden wedge (full length of
> plane) bolted to the side might work well. The additional benefit is one
> might then place the plane into a track, just like a metal shooting plane. A
> track will also work with your version of course.

The toe length of a #5.5 (medium size panel plane, Jeff) would require
a VERY large wedge, and very high board, to bring the blade to a
working position.

  BugBear

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