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251224 JAMES THOMPSON <oldmillrat@m...> 2014‑10‑19 Help identify this tool
It may just be me, but the words themselves seem contradictory. An object must
be one thing or another. It can't be two different objects at the same time.
Except when it means "exactly what I want it to mean."

A scraper is one kind of tool, and a burnisher is another. And never the twain
shall meet.


On Oct 19, 2014, at 7:58 AM, Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq  wrote:

> 
> That's a Hirsh burnisher / scraper
> https://www.google.com/search?q=hirsch+triangular+scraper&client=fire
fox-a&hs=RRE&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=uni
v&sa=X&ei=ftFDVJHFIueHsQTcnICQDw&ved=0CDIQsAQ&biw=1067&bih=469">https://www.goog
le.com/search?q=hirsch+triangular+scraper&client=firefox-a&hs=RRE&rls=org.mozill
a:en-US:official&channel=sb&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=ftFDVJHFIueHsQTcn
ICQDw&ved=0CDIQsAQ&biw=1067&bih=469
251225 Don Schwartz <dks@t...> 2014‑10‑19 Re: Help identify this tool
On 10/19/2014 9:41 AM, JAMES THOMPSON wrote:
> It may just be me, but the words themselves seem contradictory. An object must
be one thing or another. It can't be two different objects at the same time.
Except when it means "exactly what I want it to mean."
>
> A scraper is one kind of tool, and a burnisher is another. And never the twain
shall meet.

The wording is misleading. It's a scraper burnisher ( i.e. a burnisher 
for scrapers), not a burnisher / scraper.

Don
251228 Brent Beach <brent.beach@g...> 2014‑10‑19 Re: Help identify this tool
And

On 2014-10-19 08:41, JAMES THOMPSON wrote:
> A scraper is one kind of tool, and a burnisher is another.

The tools we are seeing in these ads are designed for the engraving
trade. It is possible that scraping and burnishing have slightly
different meanings there. Perhaps the goal of scraping is closer to the 
goal of burnishing in that trade. If both remove detail from an etch, 
then they are not doing something we do in woodworking (even in the 
sharpening part of woodworking).

Which brings us back to an earlier thread on knife steels. Some serrated
- scrapers(files). Some smooth - burnishers.

Brent
-- 
Brent Beach
Victoria, BC, Canada
251230 Don Schwartz <dks@t...> 2014‑10‑19 Re: Help identify this tool
On 10/19/2014 10:52 AM, Brent Beach wrote:
> The tools we are seeing in these ads are designed for the engraving
> trade. It is possible that scraping and burnishing have slightly
> different meanings there. Perhaps the goal of scraping is closer to 
> the goal of burnishing in that trade. If both remove detail from an 
> etch, then they are not doing something we do in woodworking (even in 
> the sharpening part of woodworking).
Going out on a limb here. Is it possible that the engraver's burnishers 
always have polished surfaces and points, and the scraper burnishers 
offered to woodworkers are unpolished with blunt tips?

http://www.ec
lyons.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=6

Don
251250 "Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq" <rohrabacher@e...> 2014‑10‑20 Re: Help identify this tool
On 10/19/2014 11:13 AM, James Thompson wrote:
> A scraper is one kind of tool, and a burnisher is another. And never the twain
shall meet.


Maybe, but I believe that's what they called it.
251257 paul womack <pwomack@p...> 2014‑10‑20 Re: Help identify this tool
Don Schwartz wrote:
>
> On 10/19/2014 9:41 AM, JAMES THOMPSON wrote:
>> It may just be me, but the words themselves seem contradictory. An object
must be one thing or another. It can't be two different objects at the same
time. Except when it means "exactly what I want it to mean."
>>
>> A scraper is one kind of tool, and a burnisher is another. And never the
twain shall meet.
>
> The wording is misleading. It's a scraper burnisher ( i.e. a burnisher for
scrapers), not a burnisher / scraper.

Indeed. "Adjectival noun". Like Fly swatter.

  BugBear
251270 Brent Beach <brent.beach@g...> 2014‑10‑20 Re: Help identify this tool
But ...

On 2014-10-20 01:47, paul womack wrote:
> Don Schwartz wrote:
>>
>> On 10/19/2014 9:41 AM, JAMES THOMPSON wrote:
>>> It may just be me, but the words themselves seem contradictory. An
>>> object must be one thing or another. It can't be two different
>>> objects at the same time. Except when it means "exactly what I want
>>> it to mean."
>>>
>>> A scraper is one kind of tool, and a burnisher is another. And never
>>> the twain shall meet.
>>
>> The wording is misleading. It's a scraper burnisher ( i.e. a burnisher
>> for scrapers), not a burnisher / scraper.
>
> Indeed. "Adjectival noun". Like Fly swatter.

If the scrapers have ridges, then how could you burnish them? Can we 
burnish worn files?

Brent
-- 
Brent Beach
Victoria, BC, Canada
251279 Don Schwartz <dks@t...> 2014‑10‑20 Re: Help identify this tool
On 10/20/2014 12:01 PM, Brent Beach wrote:
> If the scrapers have ridges

Ridges? Do you mean burrs? Please explain.

Don, a little duller than usual this pm

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