While walking around the flea market this morning, there one seller 
who had a few interesting tools that I grabbed, but then he mentioned 
that he had this tool chest.  He mainly brought it to 
show.  According to the people he got it from the original owner had 
worked as a carpenter for a circus around the turn of the century 
(19th into the 20th.)  My guess this was constructed more around 1920 
or so based on some of the tools.  But what a treasure trove.

http:/
/oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014a.jpg

http:/
/oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014b.jpg

http:/
/oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014c.jpg

http:/
/oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014d.jpg

http:/
/oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014e.jpg

The only thing I didn't see were planes but there are two drawers on 
the one side that I didn't look in.  They wouldn't have been big 
planes but, who knows.  My guess is that the guy was primarily a wood 
carver but did a lot of other work as well.  There is a big round or 
heading knife for leather work but I didn't see any other leather 
tools.  The copper coated square is a Duby & Shinn 1902 Patent 
Carpenters square.  That was plated originally but the plating on 
those was very thin or weak and most of the time you find them, the 
copper wash coat is showing.

I don't know if anything in there was cleaned or not.  But this is a 
neat old tool chest and these fitted ones do not show up very 
often.  The seller did mention a price that he might consider ($3000) 
but I think even that is cheap and he wasn't really trying to move it.

Enjoy

Tony (who would have loved to brought it back here but........)


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On 9/21/2014 11:44 AM, Anthony Seo wrote:
> While walking around the flea market this morning, there one seller 
> who had a few interesting tools that I grabbed, but then he mentioned 
> that he had this tool chest.  He mainly brought it to show.  According 
> to the people he got it from the original owner had worked as a 
> carpenter for a circus around the turn of the century (19th into the 
> 20th.)  My guess this was constructed more around 1920 or so based on 
> some of the tools. But what a treasure trove.
>
> http
://oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014a.jpg
>
> http
://oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014b.jpg
>
> http
://oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014c.jpg
>
> http
://oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014d.jpg
>
> http
://oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014e.jpg
>
> The only thing I didn't see were planes but there are two drawers on 
> the one side that I didn't look in.  They wouldn't have been big 
> planes but, who knows.  My guess is that the guy was primarily a wood 
> carver but did a lot of other work as well.  There is a big round or 
> heading knife for leather work but I didn't see any other leather 
> tools.  The copper coated square is a Duby & Shinn 1902 Patent 
> Carpenters square.  That was plated originally but the plating on 
> those was very thin or weak and most of the time you find them, the 
> copper wash coat is showing.
>
> I don't know if anything in there was cleaned or not.  But this is a 
> neat old tool chest and these fitted ones do not show up very often.  
> The seller did mention a price that he might consider ($3000) but I 
> think even that is cheap and he wasn't really trying to move it.
>
> Enjoy
>
> Tony (who would have loved to brought it back here but........)
>
That post deserves a violation of the snippage rule!

In the 4th photo, at the top left, is a sort of square and/or rule that 
I've never seen before.

Can anyone shed light on it?  Does it have a name?  What is its intended 
use?  etc.

Bob Hutchins
Temple, TX, USA
>

At 01:05 PM 9/21/2014, RH Hutchins wrote:
>On 9/21/2014 11:44 AM, Anthony Seo wrote:
>>While walking around the flea market this morning, there one seller 
>>who had a few interesting tools that I grabbed, but then he 
>>mentioned that he had this tool chest.  He mainly brought it to 
>>show.  According to the people he got it from the original owner 
>>had worked as a carpenter for a circus around the turn of the 
>>century (19th into the 20th.)  My guess this was constructed more 
>>around 1920 or so based on some of the tools. But what a treasure trove.
>>
>>http
://oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014a.jpg
>>
>>http
://oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014b.jpg
>>
>>http
://oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014c.jpg
>>
>>http
://oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014d.jpg
>>
>>http
://oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014e.jpg
>>
>>The only thing I didn't see were planes but there are two drawers 
>>on the one side that I didn't look in.  They wouldn't have been big 
>>planes but, who knows.  My guess is that the guy was primarily a 
>>wood carver but did a lot of other work as well.  There is a big 
>>round or heading knife for leather work but I didn't see any other 
>>leather tools.  The copper coated square is a Duby & Shinn 1902 
>>Patent Carpenters square.  That was plated originally but the 
>>plating on those was very thin or weak and most of the time you 
>>find them, the copper wash coat is showing.
>>
>>I don't know if anything in there was cleaned or not.  But this is 
>>a neat old tool chest and these fitted ones do not show up very often.
>>The seller did mention a price that he might consider ($3000) but I 
>>think even that is cheap and he wasn't really trying to move it.
>>
>>Enjoy
>>
>>Tony (who would have loved to brought it back here but........)
>That post deserves a violation of the snippage rule!
>
>In the 4th photo, at the top left, is a sort of square and/or rule 
>that I've never seen before.
>
>Can anyone shed light on it?  Does it have a name?  What is its 
>intended use?  etc.

That is the Duby & Shinn 1902 Patent Carpenters square that I mentioned.

This is Google patent link which has more info than the DATAMP one.

https://www.google.com/patents/US700023?dq=patent:700023&hl=en&sa=X&ei=
ZwYfVMuoHcn2yQSKzIKADA&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAw">https://www.google.com/patents/US700023?
dq=patent:700023&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ZwYfVMuoHcn2yQSKzIKADA&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAw

They were  made in 6", 10", and 13" sizes and were sold through ads 
in Popular Mechanics and other magazines.  They aren't very common, 
I've had 3 that I can recall over the years.

Tony



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Honestly, I like this one better than the Studley.  Not that the Studley
isn't a tour de force, and far more astonishing.  I guess I like that
this is a workman's tool chest that carries everything he uses in his
day to day work.  Some appear to have been modified for his use -- like
the really short saws (what does anybody know about the saw with the
wood and brass handle?  I've seen another handle like this, but don't
recognize it otherwise.)

He has taken a couple of crating hammers and elevated them too 
craftsman's
tools.  Interesting.  And the brace?  That's not factory made.  Oh, the
metal parts are, but the wood is shop made.

While I couldn't have resisted opening the drawers, I doubt that they 
hold
planes.  This kit looks like the things you would use to repair or 
replace
all the carved and scrolled decorations on old circus wagons, and maybe 
to
keep carousel horses in good repair.  And perhaps he had another chest 
for
other work, one that did have planes.

Yeah, 3K doesn't sound like much for this amazing chest of tools.

Mike in Sacto

Stair builder maybe?

At 01:35 PM 9/21/2014, Michael Blair wrote:
>Honestly, I like this one better than the Studley.  Not that the 
>Studley isn't a tour de force, and far more astonishing.  I guess I 
>like that this is a workman's tool chest that carries everything he 
>uses in his day to day work.  Some appear to have been modified for 
>his use -- like
>the really short saws (what does anybody know about the saw with the 
>wood and brass handle?  I've seen another handle like this, but 
>don't recognize it otherwise.)

The handle could have been modified as well.  But that alone is 
fantastic bit of craftsman ship.

>He has taken a couple of crating hammers and elevated them too 
>craftsman's tools.  Interesting.  And the brace?  That's not factory 
>made.  Oh, the metal parts are, but the wood is shop made.

Because of how it was on the table and how it opened I couldn't get a 
good straight on shot of that panel.  If you look down on the left of 
the drawers there is another brace stuck in there.  I think the 
hacksaw with the chain drive is pretty neat.   That's another one of 
those things that I have never seen before.

>While I couldn't have resisted opening the drawers, I doubt that 
>they hold planes.

Hard to say.  I had seen this first in the early light and asked the 
guy if I could come back for the pics which he allowed.  Things were 
getting busy and well I'm glad that he did.

>Yeah, 3K doesn't sound like much for this amazing chest of tools.

Oh believe me, right place, right time, this is worth 3X to 4X 
that.  Just that I ain't got that much walking around (or burying me 
sorry arse in the ground for that matter) money at present.

But you will have this....

Tony (back to the grind of the day...)



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I really don’t want to be “that guy”. I hate to be cynical or rain on anybody’s
parade. But I call total and utter BS on this one.

It’s a collection of mediocre tools modified to fit together nicely in this
cabinet. It looks good at first glance, and the tool geek in me wants it to be
real, but the just don’t make any sense. It’s a conglomeration of tools from all
over the world probably spanning 100 years or more.  A very similar chest,
though smaller scale, was discussed on the list almost a year ago. Strangely,
that thread had the same subject title!  I’m fairly certain I know who made it.
There’s a guy in New York who makes these tool boxes, buying up good-looking,
but otherwise mediocre tools, and stuffing them into boxes. He adds a bit of
Americana to them, a flag, vintage newspaper, an old carpenters’ union book,
vintage photos, whatever, to give them character. A few years ago he showed up
in Nashua at the tailgate sale and had three or four of these for sale in the
tailgate sale.. When pressed he admitted he made them up himself. He finds a
nicely patinated vintage chest and finds or modifies down tools to fit  In fact,
he bought a bunch of tools from me to use in similar craft projects. I vividly
remember talking to him about a saw he wanted to buy, pointing out that the
plate was slightly bent. He said he didn’t care and he was going to cut off the
first six inches to make it fit in a box he was making!  Since then I remember
seeing his stuff at Stormville once, and others have said they are sold at
Brimfield as well.

Again, hate to be that guy.. but I’d bet anything it’s this same guy’s work.

Josh in CT



On Sep 21, 2014, at 1:05 PM, RH Hutchins  wrote:

> On 9/21/2014 11:44 AM, Anthony Seo wrote:
>> While walking around the flea market this morning, there one seller who had a
few interesting tools that I grabbed, but then he mentioned that he had this
tool chest.  He mainly brought it to show.  According to the people he got it
from the original owner had worked as a carpenter for a circus around the turn
of the century (19th into the 20th.)  My guess this was constructed more around
1920 or so based on some of the tools. But what a treasure trove.
>> 
>> htt
p://oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014a.jpg
>> 
>> htt
p://oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014b.jpg
>> 
>> htt
p://oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014c.jpg
>> 
>> htt
p://oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014d.jpg
>> 
>> htt
p://oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014e.jpg
>> 
>> The only thing I didn't see were planes but there are two drawers on the one
side that I didn't look in.  They wouldn't have been big planes but, who knows.
My guess is that the guy was primarily a wood carver but did a lot of other work
as well.  There is a big round or heading knife for leather work but I didn't
see any other leather tools.  The copper coated square is a Duby & Shinn 1902
Patent Carpenters square.  That was plated originally but the plating on those
was very thin or weak and most of the time you find them, the copper wash coat
is showing.
>> 
>> I don't know if anything in there was cleaned or not.  But this is a neat old
tool chest and these fitted ones do not show up very often.  The seller did
mention a price that he might consider ($3000) but I think even that is cheap
and he wasn't really trying to move it.
>> 
>> Enjoy
>> 
>> Tony (who would have loved to brought it back here but........)
>> 
> That post deserves a violation of the snippage rule!
> 
> http://rucku
s.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools

I raise my creaky bones from my creaking rocking chair, walk over to Joshua's
chair, and stand with him. I get the impression of an art project with a random
collection of tools.

 I am not familiar with the Duby & Shinn 1902 Patent Carpenters Square, or the
hacksaw with the chain drive, but if these two items were removed, how would it
change the estimate?

What is the white material that is behind the toolholding twistys?

Regards,
Steve
 

On 09/21/14, Joshua Clark wrote:

I really don�t want to be �that guy�. I hate to be cynical or rain on anybody�s
parade. But I call total and utter BS on this one.

It�s a collection of mediocre tools modified to fit together nicely in this
cabinet. It looks good at first glance, and the tool geek in me wants it to be
real, but the just don�t make any sense. It�s a conglomeration of tools from all
over the world probably spanning 100 years or more. A very similar chest, though
smaller scale, was discussed on the list almost a year ago. Strangely, that
thread had the same subject title! I�m fairly certain I know who made it.
There�s a guy in New York who makes these tool boxes, buying up good-looking,
but otherwise mediocre tools, and stuffing them into boxes. He adds a bit of
Americana to them, a flag, vintage newspaper, an old carpenters� union book,
vintage photos, whatever, to give them character. A few years ago he showed up
in Nashua at the tailgate sale and had three or four of these for sale in the
tailgate sale.. When pressed he admitted he made them up himself. He finds a
nicely patinated vintage chest and finds or modifies down tools to fit In fact,
he bought a bunch of tools from me to use in similar craft projects. I vividly
remember talking to him about a saw he wanted to buy, pointing out that the
plate was slightly bent. He said he didn�t care and he was going to cut off the
first six inches to make it fit in a box he was making! Since then I remember
seeing his stuff at Stormville once, and others have said they are sold at
Brimfield as well.

Again, hate to be that guy.. but I�d bet anything it�s this same guy�s work.

Josh in CT



On Sep 21, 2014, at 1:05 PM, RH Hutchins  wrote:

> On 9/21/2014 11:44 AM, Anthony Seo wrote:
>> While walking around the flea market this morning, there one seller who had a
few interesting tools that I grabbed, but then he mentioned that he had this
tool chest. He mainly brought it to show. According to the people he got it from
the original owner had worked as a carpenter for a circus around the turn of the
century (19th into the 20th.) My guess this was constructed more around 1920 or
so based on some of the tools. But what a treasure trove.
>> 
>> htt
p://oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014a.jpg
>> 
>> htt
p://oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014b.jpg
>> 
>> htt
p://oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014c.jpg
>> 
>> htt
p://oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014d.jpg
>> 
>> htt
p://oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014e.jpg
>> 
>> The only thing I didn't see were planes but there are two drawers on the one
side that I didn't look in. They wouldn't have been big planes but, who knows.
My guess is that the guy was primarily a wood carver but did a lot of other work
as well. There is a big round or heading knife for leather work but I didn't see
any other leather tools. The copper coated square is a Duby & Shinn 1902 Patent
Carpenters square. That was plated originally but the plating on those was very
thin or weak and most of the time you find them, the copper wash coat is
showing.
>> 
>> I don't know if anything in there was cleaned or not. But this is a neat old
tool chest and these fitted ones do not show up very often. The seller did
mention a price that he might consider ($3000) but I think even that is cheap
and he wasn't really trying to move it.
>> 
>> Enjoy
>> 
>> Tony (who would have loved to brought it back here but........)
>> 
> That post deserves a violation of the snippage rule!
> 
> http://rucku
s.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools

> On Sep 22, 2014, at 8:20, Steve Reynolds  wrote:
> 
> I am not familiar with the Duby & Shinn 1902 Patent Carpenters Square, or the
hacksaw with the chain drive, but if these two items were removed, how would it
change the estimate?

I sent Josh a similar email off list yesterday, as one who's also in the
thoroughly skeptical camp. Some tools look original to the box, but those white
dividers and the screws really stick out. Maybe they're ivory or something…but
not all of the tools look as if they fit.

Isn't the hacksaw actually a coping saw? I thought I'd seen a patent for one
like that, where the chain is to keep the blade from twisting.

Adam

> Isn't the hacksaw actually a coping saw? I thought I'd seen a patent
> for one like that, where the chain is to keep the blade from twisting.

A little hard to tell in the photo, but I don't think the chain is part
of the coping saw.  Rather it appears to simply hold the saw in place
when the chest is upright.

Mike in Sacto

"Adam R. Maxwell"  wrote:

 > Isn't the hacksaw actually a coping saw? I thought I'd seen a patent
 > for one like that, where the chain is to keep the blade from twisting.

It looks like the Fenner Hand Scroll-Saw shown in an ad on pg 140 of 
Erv's Hand-Saw Makers of North America.

Or here's a link to the same ad from google books:

http://books.google.com/books?id=fXXmAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA236&lpg=PA236&dq=fen
ner+hand+scroll-saw&source=bl&ots=WosbZx1Iu_&sig=LgKVnS-AnfjEwUP3hyP1S9WUX10&hl=
en&sa=X&ei=7FIgVOjSBNGbyATvi4KwDA&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=fenner%20hand
%20scroll-saw&f=false">http://books.google.com/books?id=fXXmAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA236&lp
g=PA236&dq=fenner+hand+scroll-saw&source=bl&ots=WosbZx1Iu_&sig=LgKVnS-AnfjEwUP3h
yP1S9WUX10&hl=en&sa=X&ei=7FIgVOjSBNGbyATvi4KwDA&ved=0CCAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=fenn
er%20hand%20scroll-saw&f=false


Greg
FOYBPHSO
Fishers, IN

the white stuff looks like ivory to mr...from piano keys.  maybe it's my
imagination, but i think i saw key bodies between the chisels.

bill
felton, ca
just say i'm amazed at greg's link above.  talk about nailing it.

Re: [OldTools] Son Of Studley Toolchest  Tony Seo wrote:  "...The only thing I
didn't see were planes but there are two drawers on

the one side that I didn't look in.  They wouldn't have been big 
planes but, who knows.  My guess is that the guy was primarily a wood 
carver but did a lot of other work as well.  There is a big round or 
heading knife for leather work but I didn't see any other leather 
tools..."

Did I miss a drawknife in there somewhere?  I'm sure there aren't any 
dividers, but they would easily fit in the drawers, along with most 
general leather tools (needles, awls, possibly edgers or stitching 
markers).  He must have had some axes or adzes, something more 
substantial than the little toy hatchet/hammer combo, especially without planes.
Even so, its an amazing degree of compression. And I don't see a whetstone, but
I figure that could be in the drawer, too.


I don't recognize the tool spang in the middle of the left-hand panel, 
the one surrounded by a lighter wood holder. And on the right hand panel, I
don't recognize the big hook like a huge doorlatch on a handle.  Anyone know
what these
are?
Tom Conroy

Josh Clark wrote:
"I hate to be cynical or rain on 
anybody’s parade. But I call total and utter BS on this one.It’s
 a collection of mediocre tools modified to fit together nicely in this 
cabinet. It looks good at first glance, and the tool geek in me wants it
 to be real, but the just don’t make any sense. It’s a conglomeration of
 tools from all over the world probably spanning 100 years or more. "

OK, I'm convinced. I fell for it completely, but the piano-key dividers are the
point I find utterly convincing. They are so flagrantly new that I even wonder
if he used them to be able to say, if accused of faking an old chest, that it
clearly couldn't be old with those involved---  just a "reimagining."

Is there a line for the spitoon?

Tom Conroy.

Everyone has probably seen this by now but Bill Rainford just posted these
images of toolboxes. It would seem that Bill Garrett is the scoundrel (just
kidding) responsible for these high quality collections.

http://rainfordrestorations.wordpress.com/2014/09/25/studley-inspired-
tool-cabinets/img_1633/">http://rainfordrestorations.wordpress.com/2014/09/25
/studley-inspired-tool-cabinets/img_1633/

Scott Garrison
Duluth GA

Note a similar one is also shown, ivory et al

He sure is good at that.

Ed Minch



 Scott Garrison  wrote:
> Everyone has probably seen this by now but Bill Rainford
> just posted these
> images of toolboxes. It would seem that Bill Garrett is
> the scoundrel (just
> kidding) responsible for these high quality collections.
> 
>
http://rainfordrestorations.wordpress.com/2014/09/25/studley-inspired-
tool-cabinets/img_1633/">http://rainfordrestorations.wordpress.com/2014/09/25
/studley-inspired-tool-cabinets/img_1633/
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> It would seem that Bill Garrett is the scoundrel (just kidding) 
> responsible for these high quality collections.

> http://rainfordrestorations.wordpress.com/2014/09/25/studley-
inspired-tool-
cabinets/img_1633/">http://rainfordrestorations.wordpress.com/2014/09/25
/studley-inspired-tool-cabinets/img_1633/

More particularly, he's responsible for the one that started this 
thread.  Unless there are two
identical shop made handles and two identical shop made wooden braces, 
that's the one on the
left in these photos.

Mike in Sacto

On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 6:20 AM, Scott Garrison  wrote:

> Everyone has probably seen this by now but Bill Rainford just posted these
> images of toolboxes. It would seem that Bill Garrett is the scoundrel (just
> kidding) responsible for these high quality collections.
>
>
> http://rainfordrestorations.wordpress.com/2014/09/25/studley-
inspired-tool-
cabinets/img_1633/">http://rainfordrestorations.wordpress.com/2014/09/25
/studley-inspired-tool-cabinets/img_1633/



Is this a panther-head saw cut down to fit in a toolbox?

http://rainfordrestorations.wordpress.com/2014/09/25/studley-inspired-
tool-cabinets/#jp-
carousel-3099">http://rainfordrestorations.wordpress.com/2014/09/25/studley-
inspired-tool-cabinets/#jp-carousel-3099

Brian

Actually, that's a reassuring detail, because even a crazy person would not
cut up a panther-head to make it fit in a pretend box, right? There was
mangled keyhole saw in the first one that was bothering me, but if he's
"rescuing" damaged tools then that's cool, right?

On the scale of old tool abuse, this is pretty low (if we grant that he's
not cutting these things down). Have you seen the guy who glues dowels into
old (undamaged) saw handles for no reason?

On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Brian Welch 
wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 6:20 AM, Scott Garrison 
> wrote:
>
> > Everyone has probably seen this by now but Bill Rainford just posted
> these
> > images of toolboxes. It would seem that Bill Garrett is the scoundrel
> (just
> > kidding) responsible for these high quality collections.
> >
> >
> >
> http://rainfordrestorations.wordpress.com/2014/09/25/studley-
inspired-tool-
cabinets/img_1633/">http://rainfordrestorations.wordpress.com/2014/09/25
/studley-inspired-tool-cabinets/img_1633/
>
>
>
> Is this a panther-head saw cut down to fit in a toolbox?
>
>
> http://rainfordrestorations.wordpress.com/2014/09/25/studley-
inspired-tool-cabinets/#jp-
carousel-3099">http://rainfordrestorations.wordpress.com/2014/09/25/studley-
inspired-tool-cabinets/#jp-carousel-3099
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Everyone has probably seen this by now but Bill Rainford just posted these
images of toolboxes. It would seem that Bill Garrett is the scoundrel (just
kidding) responsible for these high quality collections.

http://rainfordrestorations.wordpress.com/2014/09/25/studley-inspired-
tool-cabinets/img_1633/">http://rainfordrestorations.wordpress.com/2014/09/25
/studley-inspired-tool-cabinets/img_1633/
Unsnip

He gets a pass from me. Cool cabinets and not for sale. 
P.S. My estate sale will have some rather unusual items too.

At 06:20 AM 9/26/2014, Scott Garrison wrote:
>Everyone has probably seen this by now but Bill Rainford just posted these
>images of toolboxes. It would seem that Bill Garrett is the scoundrel (just
>kidding) responsible for these high quality collections.
>
>http://rainfordrestorations.wordpress.com/2014/09/25/studley-inspired-
tool-cabinets/img_1633/">http://rainfordrestorations.wordpress.com/2014/09/25
/studley-inspired-tool-cabinets/img_1633/

Well as the one who started all of this, it's time for me to put it 
to bed.  That is the same chest and I do believe that Mr. Garrett was 
the guy at the flea market (I'm terrible with faces unless I see them 
a bunch of times).  BUT,  I recall that he has been to that flea 
market before and probably will again, SO the next time we're gonna 
have a wee chat about him blowing smoke up my derriere...

Tony (let's just say this has been a learning experience.. sigh)




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Years ago I made as many planes as I could, of every type. Going to flea
markets to study how various complicated planes might have been made I came
across a nice older guy manning a booth with hundreds of old planes who I
chatted with often.

His wares were way too expensive for me so I never bought any. But, after a
couple of visits he asked me if I would make some planes for him to sell,
in an “authentic” state.

At the time I was open to it, only I told him I would brand each with
“Repro” in an appropriate spot as I didn’t want my work to be confused with
actual antiques.

He wasn’t enthusiastic about this and so we never did go any further, but
it did make me wonder about all of those other planes and the prices on
them.

I loved doing that work and will get back to again, but a note in this
thread got me asking, what is going to happen to all of my planes when I
die. Will they become someone’s “Antique Tool” haul for thousands of
dollars? Which I believe would be simply wrong.

When I get back to my shop I’m going to brand every one of my planes with a
clear makers mark and date. Then they'll hold the value they deserve.

For work like this, which is very rewarding, intellectually and physically,
is it too much to ask that we encourage the work but also ask to brand
these efforts with appropriate makers marks that allow future holders to be
aware of their ‘provenance’?

KWL

On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Anthony Seo  wrote:

> At 06:20 AM 9/26/2014, Scott Garrison wrote:
>
>> Everyone has probably seen this by now but Bill Rainford just posted these
>> images of toolboxes. It would seem that Bill Garrett is the scoundrel
>> (just
>> kidding) responsible for these high quality collections.
>>
>> http://rainfo
rdrestorations.wordpress.com/2014/09/25/
>> studley-inspired-tool-cabinets/img_1633/
>>
>
> Well as the one who started all of this, it's time for me to put it to
> bed.  That is the same chest and I do believe that Mr. Garrett was the guy
> at the flea market (I'm terrible with faces unless I see them a bunch of
> times).  BUT,  I recall that he has been to that flea market before and
> probably will again, SO the next time we're gonna have a wee chat about him
> blowing smoke up my derriere...
>
> Tony (let's just say this has been a learning experience.. sigh)
>
>
>
>
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On Sep 26, 2014, at 3:01 PM, David Nighswander  wrote:

> Snip 
> From: Scott Garrison
> 
> Everyone has probably seen this by now but Bill Rainford just posted these
> images of toolboxes. It would seem that Bill Garrett is the scoundrel (just
> kidding) responsible for these high quality collections.
> 
> http://rainfordrestorations.wordpress.com/2014/09/25/studley-
inspired-tool-
cabinets/img_1633/">http://rainfordrestorations.wordpress.com/2014/09/25
/studley-inspired-tool-cabinets/img_1633/
> Unsnip
> 
> He gets a pass from me. Cool cabinets and not for sale. 
> P.S. My estate sale will have some rather unusual items too.
> ————————————————————————————————————
> 

        I find it creepy.  He goes to great lengths to put a fake story behind
his cabinets that are to "hold a variety of interesting tools from his
collection”.  If he was making these things to display in his own home, that
would be one thing, but to display them at events, and hint he would sell them
for big cash, is dishonest.

	Remember, “Buy tools, not stories” (TM, Todd Hughes)

On 9/27/2014 7:43 AM, Steve Reynolds wrote:
> On Sep 26, 2014, at 3:01 PM, David Nighswander
wrote:
>
>> >Snip
>> >From: Scott Garrison
>> >
>> >Everyone has probably seen this by now but Bill Rainford just posted these
>> >images of toolboxes. It would seem that Bill Garrett is the scoundrel (just
>> >kidding) responsible for these high quality collections.
>> >
>> >http://rainfordrestorations.wordpress.com/2014/09/25/studley-
inspired-tool-
cabinets/img_1633/">http://rainfordrestorations.wordpress.com/2014/09/25
/studley-inspired-tool-cabinets/img_1633/
>> >Unsnip
>> >
>> >He gets a pass from me. Cool cabinets and not for sale.
>> >P.S. My estate sale will have some rather unusual items too.
>> >————————————————————————————————————
>> >
>       I find it creepy.  He goes to great lengths to put a fake story behind
his cabinets that are to "hold a variety of interesting tools from his
collection”.  If he was making these things to display in his own home, that
would be one thing, but to display them at events, and hint he would sell them
for big cash, is dishonest.
>
> 	Remember, “Buy tools, not stories” (TM, Todd Hughes)
Could not agree more. IMO, it passes over the border into fraud or 
forgery. Not unlike painting in the style of Van Gogh then hinting that 
it might just be ... and suggesting its worth $millons. The difference 
is just a matter of scale.

My C$0.02, worth less than usual...
Don

Don Schwartz wrote: "IMO, it passes over the border into fraud or 
forgery. Not unlike painting in the style of Van Gogh then hinting that 
it might just be ... and suggesting its worth $millons. The difference 
is just a matter of scale."


There's a lack of subtlety here, I think. A good forger--- I don't mean the
mechanic who paints an honest pastiche, I mean the art dealer who buys the
pastiche for a thousand and sells it for a hundred thousand--- will let the
buyer look at the painting for a bit and come to the conclusion himself that it
is genuine. Then the seller points out that it is very likely a forgery, has
poor provenance, etc. With every disavowal of genuineness, the dupe, er, buyer
will become more convinced of his own bold insight and of the genuineness of the
painting.

Or so I'm told. Leading them on like that is an art. Or so I'm told.

Tom Conroy