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250481 | Anthony Seo <tonyseo@p...> | 2014‑09‑21 | Son Of Studley Toolchest |
While walking around the flea market this morning, there one seller who had a few interesting tools that I grabbed, but then he mentioned that he had this tool chest. He mainly brought it to show. According to the people he got it from the original owner had worked as a carpenter for a circus around the turn of the century (19th into the 20th.) My guess this was constructed more around 1920 or so based on some of the tools. But what a treasure trove. http:/ /oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014a.jpg http:/ /oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014b.jpg http:/ /oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014c.jpg http:/ /oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014d.jpg http:/ /oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014e.jpg The only thing I didn't see were planes but there are two drawers on the one side that I didn't look in. They wouldn't have been big planes but, who knows. My guess is that the guy was primarily a wood carver but did a lot of other work as well. There is a big round or heading knife for leather work but I didn't see any other leather tools. The copper coated square is a Duby & Shinn 1902 Patent Carpenters square. That was plated originally but the plating on those was very thin or weak and most of the time you find them, the copper wash coat is showing. I don't know if anything in there was cleaned or not. But this is a neat old tool chest and these fitted ones do not show up very often. The seller did mention a price that he might consider ($3000) but I think even that is cheap and he wasn't really trying to move it. Enjoy Tony (who would have loved to brought it back here but........) Olde River Hard Goods http://www.oldetoolshop.com">http://www.oldetoolshop.com TSMusic on Facebook http://www.facebo ok.com/tonyseomusic |
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250482 | RH Hutchins <rhhutchins@h...> | 2014‑09‑21 | Re: Son Of Studley Toolchest |
On 9/21/2014 11:44 AM, Anthony Seo wrote: > While walking around the flea market this morning, there one seller > who had a few interesting tools that I grabbed, but then he mentioned > that he had this tool chest. He mainly brought it to show. According > to the people he got it from the original owner had worked as a > carpenter for a circus around the turn of the century (19th into the > 20th.) My guess this was constructed more around 1920 or so based on > some of the tools. But what a treasure trove. > > http ://oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014a.jpg > > http ://oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014b.jpg > > http ://oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014c.jpg > > http ://oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014d.jpg > > http ://oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014e.jpg > > The only thing I didn't see were planes but there are two drawers on > the one side that I didn't look in. They wouldn't have been big > planes but, who knows. My guess is that the guy was primarily a wood > carver but did a lot of other work as well. There is a big round or > heading knife for leather work but I didn't see any other leather > tools. The copper coated square is a Duby & Shinn 1902 Patent > Carpenters square. That was plated originally but the plating on > those was very thin or weak and most of the time you find them, the > copper wash coat is showing. > > I don't know if anything in there was cleaned or not. But this is a > neat old tool chest and these fitted ones do not show up very often. > The seller did mention a price that he might consider ($3000) but I > think even that is cheap and he wasn't really trying to move it. > > Enjoy > > Tony (who would have loved to brought it back here but........) > That post deserves a violation of the snippage rule! In the 4th photo, at the top left, is a sort of square and/or rule that I've never seen before. Can anyone shed light on it? Does it have a name? What is its intended use? etc. Bob Hutchins Temple, TX, USA > |
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250483 | Anthony Seo <tonyseo@p...> | 2014‑09‑21 | Re: Son Of Studley Toolchest |
At 01:05 PM 9/21/2014, RH Hutchins wrote: >On 9/21/2014 11:44 AM, Anthony Seo wrote: >>While walking around the flea market this morning, there one seller >>who had a few interesting tools that I grabbed, but then he >>mentioned that he had this tool chest. He mainly brought it to >>show. According to the people he got it from the original owner >>had worked as a carpenter for a circus around the turn of the >>century (19th into the 20th.) My guess this was constructed more >>around 1920 or so based on some of the tools. But what a treasure trove. >> >>http ://oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014a.jpg >> >>http ://oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014b.jpg >> >>http ://oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014c.jpg >> >>http ://oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014d.jpg >> >>http ://oldetoolshop.com/jointer/miscpics/toolchest09212014e.jpg >> >>The only thing I didn't see were planes but there are two drawers >>on the one side that I didn't look in. They wouldn't have been big >>planes but, who knows. My guess is that the guy was primarily a >>wood carver but did a lot of other work as well. There is a big >>round or heading knife for leather work but I didn't see any other >>leather tools. The copper coated square is a Duby & Shinn 1902 >>Patent Carpenters square. That was plated originally but the >>plating on those was very thin or weak and most of the time you >>find them, the copper wash coat is showing. >> >>I don't know if anything in there was cleaned or not. But this is >>a neat old tool chest and these fitted ones do not show up very often. >>The seller did mention a price that he might consider ($3000) but I >>think even that is cheap and he wasn't really trying to move it. >> >>Enjoy >> >>Tony (who would have loved to brought it back here but........) >That post deserves a violation of the snippage rule! > >In the 4th photo, at the top left, is a sort of square and/or rule >that I've never seen before. > >Can anyone shed light on it? Does it have a name? What is its >intended use? etc. That is the Duby & Shinn 1902 Patent Carpenters square that I mentioned. This is Google patent link which has more info than the DATAMP one. https://www.google.com/patents/US700023?dq=patent:700023&hl=en&sa=X&ei= ZwYfVMuoHcn2yQSKzIKADA&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAw">https://www.google.com/patents/US700023? dq=patent:700023&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ZwYfVMuoHcn2yQSKzIKADA&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAw They were made in 6", 10", and 13" sizes and were sold through ads in Popular Mechanics and other magazines. They aren't very common, I've had 3 that I can recall over the years. Tony Olde River Hard Goods http://www.oldetoolshop.com">http://www.oldetoolshop.com TSMusic on Facebook http://www.facebo ok.com/tonyseomusic |
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250484 | Michael Blair <branson2@s...> | 2014‑09‑21 | Re: Son Of Studley Toolchest |
Honestly, I like this one better than the Studley. Not that the Studley isn't a tour de force, and far more astonishing. I guess I like that this is a workman's tool chest that carries everything he uses in his day to day work. Some appear to have been modified for his use -- like the really short saws (what does anybody know about the saw with the wood and brass handle? I've seen another handle like this, but don't recognize it otherwise.) He has taken a couple of crating hammers and elevated them too craftsman's tools. Interesting. And the brace? That's not factory made. Oh, the metal parts are, but the wood is shop made. While I couldn't have resisted opening the drawers, I doubt that they hold planes. This kit looks like the things you would use to repair or replace all the carved and scrolled decorations on old circus wagons, and maybe to keep carousel horses in good repair. And perhaps he had another chest for other work, one that did have planes. Yeah, 3K doesn't sound like much for this amazing chest of tools. Mike in Sacto |
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250485 | "Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq" <rohrabacher@e...> | 2014‑09‑21 | Re: Son Of Studley Toolchest |
Stair builder maybe? |
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250486 | Anthony Seo <tonyseo@p...> | 2014‑09‑21 | Re: Son Of Studley Toolchest |
At 01:35 PM 9/21/2014, Michael Blair wrote: >Honestly, I like this one better than the Studley. Not that the >Studley isn't a tour de force, and far more astonishing. I guess I >like that this is a workman's tool chest that carries everything he >uses in his day to day work. Some appear to have been modified for >his use -- like >the really short saws (what does anybody know about the saw with the >wood and brass handle? I've seen another handle like this, but >don't recognize it otherwise.) The handle could have been modified as well. But that alone is fantastic bit of craftsman ship. >He has taken a couple of crating hammers and elevated them too >craftsman's tools. Interesting. And the brace? That's not factory >made. Oh, the metal parts are, but the wood is shop made. Because of how it was on the table and how it opened I couldn't get a good straight on shot of that panel. If you look down on the left of the drawers there is another brace stuck in there. I think the hacksaw with the chain drive is pretty neat. That's another one of those things that I have never seen before. >While I couldn't have resisted opening the drawers, I doubt that >they hold planes. Hard to say. I had seen this first in the early light and asked the guy if I could come back for the pics which he allowed. Things were getting busy and well I'm glad that he did. >Yeah, 3K doesn't sound like much for this amazing chest of tools. Oh believe me, right place, right time, this is worth 3X to 4X that. Just that I ain't got that much walking around (or burying me sorry arse in the ground for that matter) money at present. But you will have this.... Tony (back to the grind of the day...) Olde River Hard Goods http://www.oldetoolshop.com">http://www.oldetoolshop.com TSMusic on Facebook http://www.facebo ok.com/tonyseomusic |
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250488 | Joshua Clark <jclark@h...> | 2014‑09‑22 | Re: Son Of Studley Toolchest |
I really don’t want to be “that guy”. I hate to be cynical or rain on anybody’s parade. But I call total and utter BS on this one. It’s a collection of mediocre tools modified to fit together nicely in this cabinet. It looks good at first glance, and the tool geek in me wants it to be real, but the just don’t make any sense. It’s a conglomeration of tools from all over the world probably spanning 100 years or more. A very similar chest, though smaller scale, was discussed on the list almost a year ago. Strangely, that thread had the same subject title! I’m fairly certain I know who made it. There’s a guy in New York who makes these tool boxes, buying up good-looking, but otherwise mediocre tools, and stuffing them into boxes. He adds a bit of Americana to them, a flag, vintage newspaper, an old carpenters’ union book, vintage photos, whatever, to give them character. A few years ago he showed up in Nashua at the tailgate sale and had three or four of these for sale in the tailgate sale.. When pressed he admitted he made them up himself. He finds a nicely patinated vintage chest and finds or modifies down tools to fit In fact, he bought a bunch of tools from me to use in similar craft projects. I vividly remember talking to him about a saw he wanted to buy, pointing out that the plate was slightly bent. He said he didn’t care and he was going to cut off the first six inches to make it fit in a box he was making! Since then I remember seeing his stuff at Stormville once, and others have said they are sold at Brimfield as well. Again, hate to be that guy.. but I’d bet anything it’s this same guy’s work. Josh in CT On Sep 21, 2014, at 1:05 PM, RH Hutchins |
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250499 | Steve Reynolds <s.e.reynolds@v...> | 2014‑09‑22 | Re: Son Of Studley Toolchest |
I raise my creaky bones from my creaking rocking chair, walk over to Joshua's chair, and stand with him. I get the impression of an art project with a random collection of tools. I am not familiar with the Duby & Shinn 1902 Patent Carpenters Square, or the hacksaw with the chain drive, but if these two items were removed, how would it change the estimate? What is the white material that is behind the toolholding twistys? Regards, Steve On 09/21/14, Joshua Clark wrote: I really don�t want to be �that guy�. I hate to be cynical or rain on anybody�s parade. But I call total and utter BS on this one. It�s a collection of mediocre tools modified to fit together nicely in this cabinet. It looks good at first glance, and the tool geek in me wants it to be real, but the just don�t make any sense. It�s a conglomeration of tools from all over the world probably spanning 100 years or more. A very similar chest, though smaller scale, was discussed on the list almost a year ago. Strangely, that thread had the same subject title! I�m fairly certain I know who made it. There�s a guy in New York who makes these tool boxes, buying up good-looking, but otherwise mediocre tools, and stuffing them into boxes. He adds a bit of Americana to them, a flag, vintage newspaper, an old carpenters� union book, vintage photos, whatever, to give them character. A few years ago he showed up in Nashua at the tailgate sale and had three or four of these for sale in the tailgate sale.. When pressed he admitted he made them up himself. He finds a nicely patinated vintage chest and finds or modifies down tools to fit In fact, he bought a bunch of tools from me to use in similar craft projects. I vividly remember talking to him about a saw he wanted to buy, pointing out that the plate was slightly bent. He said he didn�t care and he was going to cut off the first six inches to make it fit in a box he was making! Since then I remember seeing his stuff at Stormville once, and others have said they are sold at Brimfield as well. Again, hate to be that guy.. but I�d bet anything it�s this same guy�s work. Josh in CT On Sep 21, 2014, at 1:05 PM, RH Hutchins |
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250500 | "Adam R. Maxwell" <amaxwell@m...> | 2014‑09‑22 | Re: Son Of Studley Toolchest |
> On Sep 22, 2014, at 8:20, Steve Reynolds |
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250508 | Michael Blair <branson2@s...> | 2014‑09‑22 | Re: Son Of Studley Toolchest |
> Isn't the hacksaw actually a coping saw? I thought I'd seen a patent > for one like that, where the chain is to keep the blade from twisting. A little hard to tell in the photo, but I don't think the chain is part of the coping saw. Rather it appears to simply hold the saw in place when the chest is upright. Mike in Sacto |
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250510 | Greg Jones <gregj96@c...> | 2014‑09‑22 | Re: Son Of Studley Toolchest |
"Adam R. Maxwell" |
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250518 | Dragon List <dragon01list@g...> | 2014‑09‑22 | Re: Son Of Studley Toolchest |
the white stuff looks like ivory to mr...from piano keys. maybe it's my imagination, but i think i saw key bodies between the chisels. bill felton, ca just say i'm amazed at greg's link above. talk about nailing it. |
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250522 | Thomas Conroy <booktoolcutter@y...> | 2014‑09‑22 | Re: Son Of Studley Toolchest |
Re: [OldTools] Son Of Studley Toolchest Tony Seo wrote: "...The only thing I didn't see were planes but there are two drawers on the one side that I didn't look in. They wouldn't have been big planes but, who knows. My guess is that the guy was primarily a wood carver but did a lot of other work as well. There is a big round or heading knife for leather work but I didn't see any other leather tools..." Did I miss a drawknife in there somewhere? I'm sure there aren't any dividers, but they would easily fit in the drawers, along with most general leather tools (needles, awls, possibly edgers or stitching markers). He must have had some axes or adzes, something more substantial than the little toy hatchet/hammer combo, especially without planes. Even so, its an amazing degree of compression. And I don't see a whetstone, but I figure that could be in the drawer, too. I don't recognize the tool spang in the middle of the left-hand panel, the one surrounded by a lighter wood holder. And on the right hand panel, I don't recognize the big hook like a huge doorlatch on a handle. Anyone know what these are? Tom Conroy |
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250523 | Thomas Conroy <booktoolcutter@y...> | 2014‑09‑22 | Re: Son Of Studley Toolchest |
Josh Clark wrote: "I hate to be cynical or rain on anybody’s parade. But I call total and utter BS on this one.It’s a collection of mediocre tools modified to fit together nicely in this cabinet. It looks good at first glance, and the tool geek in me wants it to be real, but the just don’t make any sense. It’s a conglomeration of tools from all over the world probably spanning 100 years or more. " OK, I'm convinced. I fell for it completely, but the piano-key dividers are the point I find utterly convincing. They are so flagrantly new that I even wonder if he used them to be able to say, if accused of faking an old chest, that it clearly couldn't be old with those involved--- just a "reimagining." Is there a line for the spitoon? Tom Conroy. |
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250592 | Scott Garrison <sbg2008@c...> | 2014‑09‑26 | Re: Son Of Studley Toolchest |
Everyone has probably seen this by now but Bill Rainford just posted these images of toolboxes. It would seem that Bill Garrett is the scoundrel (just kidding) responsible for these high quality collections. http://rainfordrestorations.wordpress.com/2014/09/25/studley-inspired- tool-cabinets/img_1633/">http://rainfordrestorations.wordpress.com/2014/09/25 /studley-inspired-tool-cabinets/img_1633/ Scott Garrison Duluth GA Note a similar one is also shown, ivory et al |
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250593 | <ruby@m...> | 2014‑09‑26 | Re: Son Of Studley Toolchest |
He sure is good at that. Ed Minch Scott Garrison |
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250602 | Michael Blair <branson2@s...> | 2014‑09‑26 | Re: Son Of Studley Toolchest |
> It would seem that Bill Garrett is the scoundrel (just kidding) > responsible for these high quality collections. > http://rainfordrestorations.wordpress.com/2014/09/25/studley- inspired-tool- cabinets/img_1633/">http://rainfordrestorations.wordpress.com/2014/09/25 /studley-inspired-tool-cabinets/img_1633/ More particularly, he's responsible for the one that started this thread. Unless there are two identical shop made handles and two identical shop made wooden braces, that's the one on the left in these photos. Mike in Sacto |
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250605 | Brian Welch <brian.w.welch@g...> | 2014‑09‑26 | Re: Son Of Studley Toolchest |
On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 6:20 AM, Scott Garrison |
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250609 | Max Withers <maxwithers@g...> | 2014‑09‑26 | Re: Son Of Studley Toolchest |
Actually, that's a reassuring detail, because even a crazy person would not cut up a panther-head to make it fit in a pretend box, right? There was mangled keyhole saw in the first one that was bothering me, but if he's "rescuing" damaged tools then that's cool, right? On the scale of old tool abuse, this is pretty low (if we grant that he's not cutting these things down). Have you seen the guy who glues dowels into old (undamaged) saw handles for no reason? On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Brian Welch |
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250621 | David Nighswander <wishingstarfarm663@m...> | 2014‑09‑26 | Re: Son Of Studley Toolchest |
Snip From: Scott Garrison Everyone has probably seen this by now but Bill Rainford just posted these images of toolboxes. It would seem that Bill Garrett is the scoundrel (just kidding) responsible for these high quality collections. http://rainfordrestorations.wordpress.com/2014/09/25/studley-inspired- tool-cabinets/img_1633/">http://rainfordrestorations.wordpress.com/2014/09/25 /studley-inspired-tool-cabinets/img_1633/ Unsnip He gets a pass from me. Cool cabinets and not for sale. P.S. My estate sale will have some rather unusual items too. |
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250626 | Anthony Seo <tonyseo@p...> | 2014‑09‑26 | Re: Son Of Studley Toolchest |
At 06:20 AM 9/26/2014, Scott Garrison wrote: >Everyone has probably seen this by now but Bill Rainford just posted these >images of toolboxes. It would seem that Bill Garrett is the scoundrel (just >kidding) responsible for these high quality collections. > >http://rainfordrestorations.wordpress.com/2014/09/25/studley-inspired- tool-cabinets/img_1633/">http://rainfordrestorations.wordpress.com/2014/09/25 /studley-inspired-tool-cabinets/img_1633/ Well as the one who started all of this, it's time for me to put it to bed. That is the same chest and I do believe that Mr. Garrett was the guy at the flea market (I'm terrible with faces unless I see them a bunch of times). BUT, I recall that he has been to that flea market before and probably will again, SO the next time we're gonna have a wee chat about him blowing smoke up my derriere... Tony (let's just say this has been a learning experience.. sigh) Olde River Hard Goods http://www.oldetoolshop.com">http://www.oldetoolshop.com TSMusic on Facebook http://www.facebo ok.com/tonyseomusic |
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250629 | "K. W. Landry" <kwlandry@g...> | 2014‑09‑26 | Re: Son Of Studley Toolchest |
Years ago I made as many planes as I could, of every type. Going to flea markets to study how various complicated planes might have been made I came across a nice older guy manning a booth with hundreds of old planes who I chatted with often. His wares were way too expensive for me so I never bought any. But, after a couple of visits he asked me if I would make some planes for him to sell, in an “authentic” state. At the time I was open to it, only I told him I would brand each with “Repro” in an appropriate spot as I didn’t want my work to be confused with actual antiques. He wasn’t enthusiastic about this and so we never did go any further, but it did make me wonder about all of those other planes and the prices on them. I loved doing that work and will get back to again, but a note in this thread got me asking, what is going to happen to all of my planes when I die. Will they become someone’s “Antique Tool” haul for thousands of dollars? Which I believe would be simply wrong. When I get back to my shop I’m going to brand every one of my planes with a clear makers mark and date. Then they'll hold the value they deserve. For work like this, which is very rewarding, intellectually and physically, is it too much to ask that we encourage the work but also ask to brand these efforts with appropriate makers marks that allow future holders to be aware of their ‘provenance’? KWL On Sat, Sep 27, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Anthony Seo |
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250644 | Steve Reynolds <s.e.reynolds@v...> | 2014‑09‑27 | Re: Son Of Studley Toolchest |
On Sep 26, 2014, at 3:01 PM, David Nighswander |
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250680 | Don Schwartz <dks@t...> | 2014‑09‑29 | Re: Son Of Studley Toolchest |
On 9/27/2014 7:43 AM, Steve Reynolds wrote: > On Sep 26, 2014, at 3:01 PM, David Nighswander |
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250722 | Thomas Conroy <booktoolcutter@y...> | 2014‑10‑01 | Re: Son Of Studley Toolchest |
Don Schwartz wrote: "IMO, it passes over the border into fraud or forgery. Not unlike painting in the style of Van Gogh then hinting that it might just be ... and suggesting its worth $millons. The difference is just a matter of scale." There's a lack of subtlety here, I think. A good forger--- I don't mean the mechanic who paints an honest pastiche, I mean the art dealer who buys the pastiche for a thousand and sells it for a hundred thousand--- will let the buyer look at the painting for a bit and come to the conclusion himself that it is genuine. Then the seller points out that it is very likely a forgery, has poor provenance, etc. With every disavowal of genuineness, the dupe, er, buyer will become more convinced of his own bold insight and of the genuineness of the painting. Or so I'm told. Leading them on like that is an art. Or so I'm told. Tom Conroy |
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