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247262 Malcolm Thomas <idraconus@i...> 2014‑04‑18 Drawer Slide Question
Hello,
AM building a set of drawers for my workbench ...my tool collection seems to be
multiplying for some obscure reason :-)

being inspired by the methodology depicted here..  http://woodgears.ca/
workbench/drawers.html">http://woodgears.ca/workbench/drawers.html


I did plan to use 19mm x 19mm jarrah for the drawer slides, however i realise
that once I have seated them 4-5mm into the upright, only 15mm or so will be
left protruding to support the drawers.

Is this enough ?  Perhaps i need to go up a notch to the 38 x 19mm ?   This’ll
allow me to seat them lower in the upright and giving me more slide for the
drawers to sit on.

Whats the opinion here ?

This is the front drawer frame with the 19 x 19 slides clamped on….. look a bit
small I think …

https
://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/37914238/wood/Slides%201.JPG

https
://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/37914238/wood/Slides%202.JPG

if its any use the drawers will be 400mm wide by 500mm deep..

TIA



Cheers
Mal
Oz
(Perth to be more precise)
247265 John Holladay <docholladay0820@g...> 2014‑04‑18 Re: Drawer Slide Question
Mal,

I think that you'll have plenty to support the drawers. More important is a
good fit. You want the drawers to slide smoothly, but with a minimum of
excess movement. The trickie part is to plan enough room to allow for
expansion during damp seasons. Here where I live, I've seen items where
drawers work great in the winter, but won't even budge at all during the
summer when the humidity rises.

Doc

On Friday, April 18, 2014, Malcolm Thomas  wrote:

>
> Hello,
> AM building a set of drawers for my workbench ...my tool collection seems
> to be multiplying for some obscure reason :-)
>
> being inspired by the methodology depicted here..
> http://woodgears.ca/workb
ench/drawers.html
>
>
> I did plan to use 19mm x 19mm jarrah for the drawer slides, however i
> realise that once I have seated them 4-5mm into the upright, only 15mm or
> so will be left protruding to support the drawers.
>
> Is this enough ?  Perhaps i need to go up a notch to the 38 x 19mm ?
> This’ll allow me to seat them lower in the upright and giving me more slide
> for the drawers to sit on.
>
> Whats the opinion here ?
>
> This is the front drawer frame with the 19 x 19 slides clamped on….. look
> a bit small I think …
>
> htt
ps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/37914238/wood/Slides%201.JPG
>
> htt
ps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/37914238/wood/Slides%202.JPG
>
> if its any use the drawers will be 400mm wide by 500mm deep..
>
> TIA
>
>
>
> Cheers
> Mal
> Oz
> (Perth to be more precise)
>
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247266 Malcolm Thomas <idraconus@i...> 2014‑04‑18 Re: Drawer Slide Question
ah ok. thanks john.    yeah i have allowed about 1/4"  so i am hoping that
should be fine.
they'll be screwed and glued so should be strong enough, was just wondering if
they would be wide enough.

i do hope the 19mm will be ok, i already bought the stuff a couple of weeks back
;-)

am also going to put thin jarrah runners on the underside of each drawer so
it'll be hardwood running on hardwood with maybe some candle wax or something as
a lubricant.

Cheers,
Mal

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> On 18 Apr 2014, at 19:54, John Holladay  wrote:
> 
> Mal,
> 
> I think that you'll have plenty to support the drawers. More important is a
good fit. You want the drawers to slide smoothly, but with a minimum of excess
movement. The trickie part is to plan enough room to allow for expansion during
damp seasons. Here where I live, I've seen items where drawers work great in the
winter, but won't even budge at all during the summer when the humidity rises.
> 
> Doc
> 
>> On Friday, April 18, 2014, Malcolm Thomas  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello,
>> AM building a set of drawers for my workbench ...my tool collection seems to
be multiplying for some obscure reason :-)
>> 
>> being inspired by the methodology depicted here..  http://woodgears.
ca/workbench/drawers.html">http://woodgears.ca/workbench/drawers.html
>> 
>> 
>> I did plan to use 19mm x 19mm jarrah for the drawer slides, however i realise
that once I have seated them 4-5mm into the upright, only 15mm or so will be
left protruding to support the drawers.
>> 
>> Is this enough ?  Perhaps i need to go up a notch to the 38 x 19mm ?
This’ll allow me to seat them lower in the upright and giving me more slide for
the drawers to sit on.
>> 
>> Whats the opinion here ?
>> 
>> This is the front drawer frame with the 19 x 19 slides clamped on….. look a
bit small I think …
>> 
>> ht
tps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/37914238/wood/Slides%201.JPG
>> 
>> ht
tps://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/37914238/wood/Slides%202.JPG
>> 
>> if its any use the drawers will be 400mm wide by 500mm deep..
>> 
>> TIA
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Mal
>> Oz
>> (Perth to be more precise)
>> 
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247270 Kirk Eppler <eppler.kirk@g...> 2014‑04‑18 Re: Drawer Slide Question
On Friday, April 18, 2014, Malcolm Thomas  wrote:

>
> Hello,
> AM building a set of drawers for my workbench ...my tool collection seems
> to be multiplying for some obscure reason :-)
>
> being inspired by the methodology depicted here..
> http://woodgears.ca/workb
ench/drawers.html
>
>
> I did plan to use 19mm x 19mm jarrah for the drawer slides, however i
> realise that once I have seated them 4-5mm into the upright, only 15mm or
> so will be left protruding to support the drawers.
>
>
>
Remember these will be the heaviest fullest drawers you will build.
 Overbuilding seems in order.  I built mine with 100# metal slides! and
they all settled just a bit after I filled them. Still need tt go back and
adjust the slides just a bit.

I have never seen drawers with jarrah slides, but been garage sale hunting
in many w wooden slides, and none were near 1/2" (12mm) wide protruding.
 Your drawers are slightly wider than the norm here, so my opinion is you
should be fine.  After all, that jarrah is probably tougher than metal
slides, right?

Just keep them well waxed.  That garage sale where I picked up the
Power arm a few weeks back had built ball bearing rollers into some of his
wooden slides.  They were sweet.

Kirk in HMB, ca


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247271 Ron Harper <kokomorontoo@g...> 2014‑04‑18 Re: Drawer Slide Question
Lots of good stuff about slides for under bench drawers.

For thirty years I have had drawers under my assembly table. The slides are
3/4 pine.. Yes pine.  They are still going strong. I am thinkin jarrah will
be just fine.
247272 Ed Minch <ruby@m...> 2014‑04‑18 Re: Drawer Slide Question
For heavy drawers - try this.

At any big box or hardware store, by a roll of “v-seal” - a slippery plastic
weatherstrip.  You are supposed to cut a length, fold down a score mark along
the length to form a “V” in section, then pull a piece of paper off an adhesive
strip along one leg and stick it to your door or window frame.

Just cut a length, and without folding, pull the paper and stick it to your
wooden drawer slide.  I just measured the stuff I use at .010”, so it doesn’t
take up much room.

I figured this one out in the mid 80’s when we bought a very nice 1815 or so
chest of drawers.  The slides and the drawer sides that bear on them were
showing signs of a little wear and I didn’t want to splice a piece in or replace
anything.  I added these strips and they are still there working as intended -
the drawers have always been very easy to open.  I have used the stuff a couple
of other times.

By the way, energy efficiency is my profession and this material is the best of
the weatherstrips as long as the surface you are sticking it to is smooth and
clean - we rub a paper towel with alcohol over it.  We have used miles of it!

http://www.frostking.com/king-y-seal-
weatherstrip/">http://www.frostking.com/king-y-seal-weatherstrip/
no affiliation, yada yada yada

Ed Minch





On Apr 18, 2014, at 9:27 AM, Kirk Eppler  wrote:

> Just keep them well waxed.  That garage sale where I picked up the
> Power arm a few weeks back had built ball bearing rollers into some of his
> wooden slides.  They were sweet.
247273 Richard Wilson <yorkshireman@y...> 2014‑04‑18 Re: Drawer Slide Question
Malcolm asks about tool drawers...
> 
> Hello,
> AM building a set of drawers for my workbench ...my tool collection seems to
be multiplying for some obscure reason :-)
> 
> being inspired by the methodology depicted here..  http://woodgears.c
a/workbench/drawers.html">http://woodgears.ca/workbench/drawers.html
> 
> 
> I did plan to use 19mm x 19mm jarrah for the drawer slides, however i realise
that once I have seated them 4-5mm into the upright, only 15mm or so will be
left protruding to support the drawers.
> 
> Is this enough ? 


15mmis way over a half inch, so yes - plenty of support.  

I'd say that the most important thing in such a venture is to work with more,
smaller drawers.
A large drawer takes more stuff - good - but however you make it, you have a
large mass to move to open it, and once moving, it will want to stay moving, and
you don't want several pounds(kg's) of iron and 'sharp on a stick'  heading to
the floor, or the children / grandchildren's feet.

and, depending on width versus depth, a wide drawer is often more open to
racking.

As for modern, steel, ball bearing efforts and such like, well - we spit on
them.  If a wooden drawer on wooden runners was goof enough in Queen Elizabeth's
day (the First, that is), well, I say it's still good enough now.

But I'm a grumpy old galoot, so I would say that.  

Richard Wilson
Yorkshireman Galoot
in a gloriously sunny Northumberland.
247274 Malcolm Thomas <idraconus@i...> 2014‑04‑18 Re: Drawer Slide Question
yes these drawers will see some service.  i hope i have over engineered the
frame.

good idea re the weatherstrip....i have seen teflon tape used in a similar
fashion. i'll have a look in the local warehouse and see what i can muster up.

it appears i have a dozen dados to cut...am so glad i can use the 19mm as
originally planned:-)

thanks folks.

Cheers,
Mal

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> On 18 Apr 2014, at 21:58, Ed Minch  wrote:
> 
> For heavy drawers - try this.
> 
> At any big box or hardware store, by a roll of “v-seal” - a slippery plastic
weatherstrip.  You are supposed to cut a length, fold down a score mark along
the length to form a “V” in section, then pull a piece of paper off an adhesive
strip along one leg and stick it to your door or window frame.
> 
> Just cut a length, and without folding, pull the paper and stick it to your
wooden drawer slide.  I just measured the stuff I use at .010”, so it doesn’t
take up much room.
> 
> I figured this one out in the mid 80’s when we bought a very nice 1815 or so
chest of drawers.  The slides and the drawer sides that bear on them were
showing signs of a little wear and I didn’t want to splice a piece in or replace
anything.  I added these strips and they are still there working as intended -
the drawers have always been very easy to open.  I have used the stuff a couple
of other times.
> 
> By the way, energy efficiency is my profession and this material is the best
of the weatherstrips as long as the surface you are sticking it to is smooth and
clean - we rub a paper towel with alcohol over it.  We have used miles of it!
> 
> http://www.frostking.com/king-y-seal-
weatherstrip/">http://www.frostking.com/king-y-seal-weatherstrip/
> no affiliation, yada yada yada
> 
> Ed Minch
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 18, 2014, at 9:27 AM, Kirk Eppler  wrote:
>> 
>> Just keep them well waxed.  That garage sale where I picked up the
>> Power arm a few weeks back had built ball bearing rollers into some of his
>> wooden slides.  They were sweet.
>
247275 Malcolm Thomas <idraconus@i...> 2014‑04‑18 Re: Drawer Slide Question
concur.  too big, too heavy and possible prone to some kind of failure later on.
too small and they become almost useless. i think i found a reasonable
compromise for what i need. the top two drawers will be slightly smaller/lighter
for things such as tapes, knives, papers et al

Cheers,
Mal

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> On 18 Apr 2014, at 22:54, Richard Wilson  wrote:
> 
> Malcolm asks about tool drawers...
>> 
>> Hello,
>> AM building a set of drawers for my workbench ...my tool collection seems to
be multiplying for some obscure reason :-)
>> 
>> being inspired by the methodology depicted here..  http://woodgears.
ca/workbench/drawers.html">http://woodgears.ca/workbench/drawers.html
>> 
>> 
>> I did plan to use 19mm x 19mm jarrah for the drawer slides, however i realise
that once I have seated them 4-5mm into the upright, only 15mm or so will be
left protruding to support the drawers.
>> 
>> Is this enough ?
> 
> 
> 15mmis way over a half inch, so yes - plenty of support.  
> 
> I'd say that the most important thing in such a venture is to work with more,
smaller drawers.
> A large drawer takes more stuff - good - but however you make it, you have a
large mass to move to open it, and once moving, it will want to stay moving, and
you don't want several pounds(kg's) of iron and 'sharp on a stick'  heading to
the floor, or the children / grandchildren's feet.
> 
> and, depending on width versus depth, a wide drawer is often more open to
racking.
> 
> As for modern, steel, ball bearing efforts and such like, well - we spit on
them.  If a wooden drawer on wooden runners was goof enough in Queen Elizabeth's
day (the First, that is), well, I say it's still good enough now.
> 
> But I'm a grumpy old galoot, so I would say that.  
> 
> Richard Wilson
> Yorkshireman Galoot
> in a gloriously sunny Northumberland.   
> 
> 
>
247276 scott grandstaff <scottg@s...> 2014‑04‑18 Re: Drawer Slide Question
Yup
  The thin plastic tape (I have some original teflon tape from the 60's) 
slides under the harshest conditions.
   I have some "hardware" drawers that have to weigh well over 100 
pounds apiece. These are drawers with coffee cans of carriage bolts and 
lag bolts and nails of all sizes. Another with casters of all sizes and 
long bolts.
   An old dresser from a yard sale or the dump I can't remember which, 
completely stuffed with steel and brass really.
  I am often shocked that it holds up, but it does.

    UHMW (poor mans teflon) is just about as slick, and it comes any way 
you want it. Sheets, rolls, blocks even. Thin sheets or rolls are very 
cheap.
   Its hard to glue on (glue doesn't stick to either teflon or UHMW for 
crap) so I just staple it on. Take a hammer and punch and drive the 
staples a little deeper after, so they countersink themselves below the 
surface.

  Ball bearing guides are pretty nice, but don't kid yourself, they take 
---a long time-- to install. Plus you have to readjust them occasionally 
and that takes time.
  Plus unless you buy the most expensive ones, that take up the most 
room, they only open to 3/4.
  I have some in use. I like them ok.  But I have a big pile of more of 
them I picked up, stashed.
And don't seem to be using them up very quick.

    My advise is not to make very many of the drawers too deep. (top to 
bottom)
You are going to use what you have, regardless.  Fill it right to the 
top in time. Guaranteed
  So shallower drawers, but more of them is best.

   A deep drawer stuffed to the top takes a whole lot longer to rummage 
though, than a shallow drawer.
     yours Scott


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247277 John Holladay <docholladay0820@g...> 2014‑04‑18 Re: Drawer Slide Question
Scott G. wrote:  " So shallower drawers, but more of them is best."

As someone that worked as an auto mechanic in a past life, I must agree
with Scott. A few deeper drawers are usually needed to store a few items,
but in general, shallow drawers are much preferred. In a shallow drawer
full of stuff, you can still see what is in the drawer, for the most part,
without having to remove things.

Doc


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247278 Don Schwartz <dks@t...> 2014‑04‑18 Re: Drawer Slide Question
Seems to me those should be more than adequate.  i have a re-purposed 
geologist's rock sample desk which I use for hardware and tool storage. 
The trays are 2in deep & simple box construction planted on 1/4" fir 
ply, which overhangs the boxes by about 7/16". They slide on 1/2" x 1/2' 
aluminum angles spaced 3in apart to allow for flexible storage. With 
paraffin applied to the aluminum & plywood sliding surfaces, they work 
famously even when full of heavy stuff. They were good enough for rocks! 
Yours should do fine.

FWIW
Don


On 4/18/2014 1:27 AM, Malcolm Thomas wrote:
> I did plan to use 19mm x 19mm jarrah for the drawer slides, however i realise
that once I have seated them 4-5mm into the upright, only 15mm or so will be
left protruding to support the drawers.
247283 "Peter H" <p-j-h@w...> 2014‑04‑18 Re: Drawer Slide Question
Hi Malcolm,

If your "is this enough" question relates to there being enough
landing for the
drawers to slide on, I think the answer should be - how snug will the
drawers
be in the carcass. ;^) 

If there is little side play, and the drawers cannot skew because of
the guide strips
between the uprights, then there seems little point in making the
bearing
surface - the "slide" - any wider than the thickness of the "glide
strip", which, I'm
guessing from the picture at woodgears, is as wide as the drawer sides
are thick.

If you cut the slides from say 100 x 19mm DAR stock, you will finish
up with somewhere 
around 22 x 19 material once dressed.  Let into the uprights x 4mm
leaves you 18mm
of glide surface. That should be adequate.   

Cheers
Peter H in Perth

------------------------

being inspired by the methodology depicted here..
http://woodgears.ca/workben
ch/drawers.html

 I did plan to use 19mm x 19mm jarrah for the drawer slides, however i
realise that once I have seated them 4-5mm into the upright, only 15mm
or so will be left protruding to support the drawers.

 Is this enough ? Perhaps i need to go up a notch to the 38 x 19mm ?
This’ll allow me to seat them lower in the upright and giving me
more slide for the drawers to sit on.
247286 Mick Dowling <spacelysprocket@b...> 2014‑04‑19 Re: Drawer Slide Question
GGs

Heavy duty drawer slides.

In the back of my ute (pick up truck) I have a massive drawer that contains
most of my day to day tools. Massive as in 550 x 550 x 1400 (22" x 22" x
55"). I'd guess the best part of 150kgs (330 pounds).

I had in mind a number of drawer slide systems that might have worked, but I
wasn't sure any of them would stand up to the punishment they'd likely get.

Browsing through a hardware store I came across rollers generally used for
shifting around refrigerators and the like. I fitted 4 sets of these under
the drawer. I expected I'd have to replace these regularly, but it is now 7
years, and there is no sign of wear.

Pics here. http://tinyurl.com/mysu98x

The drawer is a close fit in the surrounding frame so it doesn't bounce
around, and also once the tailgate is closed there's no forward or back
movement.

Mick Dowling
Melbourne
Member, Hand Tool Preservation Association of Australia Inc.



On 19/04/2014 12:59 am, "Malcolm Thomas"  wrote:

> yes these drawers will see some service.  i hope i have over engineered the
> frame.
247288 Malcolm Thomas <idraconus@i...> 2014‑04‑19 Re: Drawer Slide Question
On 19 Apr 2014, at 11:28 am, Mick Dowling  wrote:

> GGs
> 
> Heavy duty drawer slides.
> 
> In the back of my ute (pick up truck) I have a massive drawer that contains
> most of my day to day tools. Massive as in 550 x 550 x 1400 (22" x 22" x
> 55"). I'd guess the best part of 150kgs (330 pounds).
> 


… 

I think you win Mick !  thats a lot of cargo to lug around.   I like your
solution for the drawer slides though. Probably overkill for this project, but I
need make small scrap timber caddy later, the fridge rollers might be a good
solution for it.


Cheers
Mal
Oz
(Perth to be more
precise)------------------------------------------------------------------------
247297 "Cliff Rohrabacher, Esq" <rohrabacher@e...> 2014‑04‑19 Re: Drawer Slide Question
nice drawer slides.
I am curious how the circular saw blade manages to stay on that little 
nail as you  go bounding  across Australia's roads.
247300 Mick Dowling <spacelysprocket@b...> 2014‑04‑20 Re: Drawer Slide Question
Cliff

One of life's great mysteries.

Mick Dowling


On 19/04/2014 11:02 pm, "Cliff Rohrabacher" 
wrote:

> nice drawer slides.
> I am curious how the circular saw blade manages to stay on that little
> nail as you  go bounding  across Australia's roads.
247398 Malcolm Thomas <idraconus@i...> 2014‑04‑24 Re: Drawer Slide Question
If anyone is still remotely interested in the progress of my entrance into
drawer construction… here is progress to date, as of dinner time today (20:00 -
yeah, a late dinner !)..

..drawer slides all cut and being screwed on  (nothing is glued yet,will make
sure the carcass fits under the bench first !)..

wow, my MF No38 is a ripper, first time I had used it in earnest, made light
work of all those holes in the jarrah, I love it   …and an ex Doc brace followed
up behind with an 8mm bit to widen the first few mm of each screw hole to bury
the screw head...


https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/37914238/wood/Fitting%20runners.JPG
">https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/37914238/wood/Fitting%20runners.JPG


.. and all done, it actually fits !

https:
//dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/37914238/wood/It%20fits.JPG


so far, all hand tools...


Hopefully will get some time on the weekend to glue it up and then start
thinking about the drawers  :-0

Cheers
Mal
Oz
(Perth to be more precise)
247399 Malcolm Thomas <idraconus@i...> 2014‑04‑24 Re: Drawer Slide Question
On 24 Apr 2014, at 10:02 pm, Malcolm Thomas  wrote:

> 
> If anyone is still remotely interested in the progress of my entrance into
drawer construction… here is progress to date, as of dinner time today (20:00 -
yeah, a late dinner !)..
> 
> ..drawer slides all cut and being screwed on  (nothing is glued yet,will make
sure the carcass fits under the bench first !)..
> 
> wow, my MF No38 is a ripper, first time I had used it in earnest, made light
work of all those holes in the jarrah, I love it   …and an ex Doc brace followed
up behind with an 8mm bit to widen the first few mm of each screw hole to bury
the screw head...
> 
> 
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/37914238/wood/Fitting%20runners.J
PG">https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/37914238/wood/Fitting%20runners.JPG
> 
> 
> .. and all done, it actually fits !
> 
> http
s://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/37914238/wood/It%20fits.JPG
> 
> 
> so far, all hand tools...
> 
> 
> Hopefully will get some time on the weekend to glue it up and then start
thinking about the drawers  :-0
> 
> Cheers
> Mal
> Oz
> (Perth to be more precise)
> 


P.S    …and yes, there will be drawer guides inserted between the slides when i
glue it all up   ;-))




Cheers
Mal
Oz
(Perth to be more
precise)------------------------------------------------------------------------
247400 Michael Blair <branson2@s...> 2014‑04‑24 Re: Drawer Slide Question
Looks good, Mal.  Ought to work out fine.

Mike in Sacto

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