One of the articles I read said that the new metal exceeded all other
metals except in one test, ease of sharpening, here 01 high carbon steel
remains the king. Also they said the new steel would be about 30 percent
higher in cost. Also that they were not going to release all the testing
data.Therefore, for me, a novice, no matter how strong the steel is if I
cannot put an edge on it quickly, my work suffers, and at 1/3 more in
cost there is no question where my loyalty lies. More expert woodworkers
may be at ease with other steels and more confident of their sharpening
abilities, but I am not there yet. And I think I have to question coming
out with new products that are trade offs and cost more money. What ever
happened to new products that are superior in every way and cost less. I
think they should go back to the drawing board.


Van Hudson 706-318-4167



________________________________
 From: Steve Jones <stjones@k...> To: Derek Cohen <derekcohen@i...>
Cc: oldtools <OldTools@r...cornell.edu> Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2012
    9:59 AM Subject: Re: [OldTools] New metal for tools

What's this? A comment from someone who's used the product and knows
what he's talking about?=A0 I'm not going to replace all my plane irons
and I'm sure LV doesn't expect that.=A0 If I buy a new LV plane and PM-
VIII is a reasonably-priced upgrade, I'll probably buy it.=A0 That said
- depending on the price - I may try PM-VIII in the LA jack that I use
for shooting.=A0 And I kinda like the 15 deg paring chisel idea too.

Steve aKg

On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Derek Cohen <derekcohen@i...>wrote:

> I only have first hand experience of one PM-Vlll plane blade, which is
> used in a Veritas Small BU Smoother. This was put through a great deal
> of testing about 12 months ago (and then used on a regular basis ever
> since). On the basis of this I can state that, using Pro Shaptons, the
> PM-Vlll blade honed about as quickly as an A2 equivalent, and lasted
> about twice its duration planing abrasive Jarrah boards (yes, I stood
> there counting shavings).
>
> I have not used PM-Vlll in chisels. The PM-Vlll was a late entry into
> the chisel testing conducted (that I was involved in) nearly 2 years
> ago. Steels included M4 and 3V, and the PM-Vlll was subsequently
> chosen above these. I did, however, use the PM-Vlll steel with a 25
> degree bevel to shoot Jarrah endgrain later on. It held up very well.
> According to Rob Lee it can be used at 15 degrees ... which would make
> for an interesting paring chisel!
>
> Don't forget the obvious - that steel and tools are two separate
> items. If you are already stocked for tools, then you will not be
> planning to add more, regardless of the steel composition of the
> new tools.
>
> I do not plan to replace all my blades with PM-Vlll just because it is
> better (and it is). That would be silly. However, the next time I
> purchase a blade, it will definitely be made of PM-Vlll steel. It
> would be silly not to do so.
>
> Regards from Perth
>
> Derek
>
>
>
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