Galoots,

Some of you may remember my old router table - in this picture taken in
May of 2009.

http://tinyurl.com/cpnm7zb

I thought I might as well show you what a few years of leaving them
alone to multiply can cause.  I had to create a new table for the mini
routers (and one of the larger routers).  They wouldn't fit on the
old table.

https://picasaweb.google.com/Dilloworks/RouterTableNew2012

After I took these pictures, I realized I hadn't brought in any of the
"user" mini routers from the shop, so they weren't included.  Also, I
didn't include but one of the full-sized routers.  I hope you understand
that I am not a collector.  This is just a "set" of users.  Also found 
the below
routers that weren't in the earlier pictures.

https://picasaweb.google.com/Dilloworks/RouterTableNewExtras

BTW, I want to point out that putting them together like this is not
something to be done without careful thought.  The main thought being
that having them all together like this is not something to do unless
you are sure that SWMBO will be out of town for several days in a row -
so you have time to scatter them out again.  (And maybe hide a few?)

Frank Sronce (Fort Worth Armadillo Works)

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Frank, That's a Fine Mess of routers you have gotten yourself into!
Cheers! Wes

On May 20, 2012, at 7:54 PM, "Frank Sronce" <dilloworks@s...> wrote:

> Galoots,
>> Some of you may remember my old router table - in this picture
>> taken in
> May of 2009.
>> http://tinyurl.com/cpnm7zb I thought I might as well show you what a
>> few years of leaving them
> alone to multiply can cause. I had to create a new table for the
> mini routers (and one of the larger routers). They wouldn't fit on
> the old table.
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/Dilloworks/RouterTableNew2012 After I
>> took these pictures, I realized I hadn't brought in any of the
> "user" mini routers from the shop, so they weren't included. Also, I
> didn't include but one of the full-sized routers. I hope you
> understand that I am not a collector. This is just a "set" of users.
> Also found the below routers that weren't in the earlier pictures.
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/Dilloworks/RouterTableNewExtras BTW, I
>> want to point out that putting them together like this is not
> something to be done without careful thought. The main thought being
> that having them all together like this is not something to do unless
> you are sure that SWMBO will be out of town for several days in a row
> - so you have time to scatter them out again. (And maybe hide a few?)
>> Frank Sronce (Fort Worth Armadillo Works)
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Nice router table.  It is clear why you needed the new, larger one.  

Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: oldtools-bounces@r...
[mailto:oldtools-bounces@r...] On Behalf Of Frank Sronce
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 6:54 PM
To: oldtools List
Cc: Bud Blake
Subject: [OldTools] The New Router Table - May 2012

Galoots,

Some of you may remember my old router table - in this picture taken in May
of 2009.

http://tinyurl.com/cpnm7zb

I thought I might as well show you what a few years of leaving them alone to
multiply can cause.  I had to create a new table for the mini routers (and
one of the larger routers).  They wouldn't fit on the old table.

https://picasaweb.google.com/Dilloworks/RouterTableNew2012

After I took these pictures, I realized I hadn't brought in any of the
"user" mini routers from the shop, so they weren't included.  Also, I didn't
include but one of the full-sized routers.  I hope you understand that I am
not a collector.  This is just a "set" of users.  Also found the below
routers that weren't in the earlier pictures.

https://picasaweb.google.com/Dilloworks/RouterTableNewExtras

BTW, I want to point out that putting them together like this is not
something to be done without careful thought.  The main thought being that
having them all together like this is not something to do unless you are
sure that SWMBO will be out of town for several days in a row - so you have
time to scatter them out again.  (And maybe hide a few?)

Frank Sronce (Fort Worth Armadillo Works)

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Hi, Wes,

Unfortunately, I have reached the point in life where I need to be 
selling instead of accumulating.  But it is hard to convince myself of 
that.  I keep seeing that one more thing that I just might need (or 
want?) some day.

Besides, maybe I am going to live forever.  :-)

Frank

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "WesG" <wesg@g...>
To: "Frank Sronce" <dilloworks@s...>
Cc: "oldtools List" <oldtools@r...>; "Bud Blake" 
<blackjackhill@w...>
Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [OldTools] The New Router Table - May 2012

Frank,
That's a Fine Mess of routers you have gotten yourself into!
Cheers!
Wes 

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When I first started reading this, and saw "router table", my first thought
was something tailed, and thought, why is that being brought up here.
Anyway, nice little coll.... user set of routers, and table.  I can
definitely see the need to keep them separated so SWMBO doesn't get wise,
although, she probably already is.

Doc
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Frank,
That's a Fine Mess of routers you have gotten yourself into!
Cheers!
Wes

> http://tinyurl.com/cpnm7zb
> 
> https://picasaweb.google.com/Dilloworks/RouterTableNew2012
> 
> https://picasaweb.google.com/Dilloworks/RouterTableNewExtras
> 

----------- 
My sentiments precisely Wes.
What a fine mess of Routers, and by all accounts Frank, 
you got only yourself to talk sternly at about the numbers. 

May I suggest that it may be too late to stop looking for more?

Cheers
PeterH in Perth

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Is a MESS of routers the collective noun? I was just getting comfortable
with thinking it might be a TABLE of routers.

So confused...

Mick Dowling
Melbourne
Member, Hand Tool Preservation Association of Australia Inc.

On 21/05/12 1:18 PM, "Peter Huisman" <p-j-h@w...> wrote:

> 
> Frank,
> That's a Fine Mess of routers you have gotten yourself into!
> Cheers!
> Wes
> 
> 
>> http://tinyurl.com/cpnm7zb
>> 
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/Dilloworks/RouterTableNew2012
>> 
>> https://picasaweb.google.com/Dilloworks/RouterTableNewExtras
>> 
> 
> ----------- 
> My sentiments precisely Wes.
> What a fine mess of Routers, and by all accounts Frank,
> you got only yourself to talk sternly at about the numbers.
> 

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Frank ( & GG's) Two things:
1. Unless you run out of money, OR own every tool there is, you have no
   reason to stop accumulating if that's what you like doing.
2. The idea is to actually keep *living* right up 'til the end. We're
   all leaving feet first, so try to make sure your shoes are worn out
   when it's time to go.

Cheers, Wes, ... Hoping that he finishes his last bottle of good scotch
on the night before that last day.

On May 20, 2012, at 10:01 PM, "Frank Sronce" <dilloworks@s...> wrote:

> Hi, Wes,
>> Unfortunately, I have reached the point in life where I need to be
>> selling instead of accumulating. But it is hard to convince myself of
>> that. I keep seeing that one more thing that I just might need (or
>> want?) some day. Besides, maybe I am going to live forever. :-) Frank
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I think a PRIDE of routers might be appropriate........................

E, the Ottawa one

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On Sun, May 20, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Frank Sronce <dilloworks@s...>wrote:

>
> I thought I might as well show you what a few years of leaving them
> alone to multiply can cause.
>

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-IeXoK1uKxQs/T5chSYZXZQI/AAAAAAAAE-c/Y5QKFlx9mc0/s720/IMG_1586.JPG

This eccentric one is especially attractive.

The wooden add ons for existing planes (turn a 271 into a 71 ) was an
interesting concept as well.

Thanks for keeping us up to date on their breeding habits.  I have kept all
mine fairly well separated, so they haven't reproduced, but maybe mine are
all one gender , or worse, neutered.

Kirk in HMB, CA, where two gorgeous days just rolled through, and we did
our best to enjoy them
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nice collection
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On May 20, 2012, at 11:46 PM, Mick Dowling wrote:

> Is a MESS of routers the collective noun? I was just getting  
> comfortable
> with thinking it might be a TABLE of routers.
>

I personally take a hankering to the word passel when the group is  
large, diverse and of unknown quantity.

--Scott

-------------------------------------------------
Scott Stager
Columbia Missouri

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On May 21, 2012, at 07:49 , Scott Stager <stagers@m...> wrote:

> I personally take a hankering to the word passel when the group is large,
diverse and of unknown quantity.

Sort of like the passel of galoots on this here porch, eh?

Frank, that is a very cool selection of routers, and the most
impressive thing (to me) is that so many of them have obvious
differences.  Not having seen your table previously, I expected
to see something like types 1,2,n...n+1 of the Stanley #(2)71!

Adam
Port Angeles, WA

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Frank and other Gentle Galoots,


> Some of you may remember my old router table - in this picture taken
> in May of 2009.


http://tinyurl.com/cpnm7zb


If you've ever seen it before, it's pretty hard to forget!

> I thought I might as well show you what a few years of leaving them
=A0>alone to multiply can cause.=A0 I had to create a new table
for the mini
> routers (and one of the larger routers).=A0 They wouldn't fit on the
> old table.

https://picasaweb.google.com/Dilloworks/RouterTableNew2012 Frank, I was
intrigued by a couple of the OWT routers in photo 8 of 16. The ones with
a body shaped sort of like a coffin plane but with a "U" or "V" shaped
cutout in the front and an iron held in place by a wedge. I'd like to
see more detailed photos of those showing how they are set up, how the
irons are ground, etc.=A0 What are the bedding angles?

I understand that you are not a collector, but if you should ever decide
to start a collection, it looks like you would have a good start.

Chuck Taylor North of Seattle
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On 5/20/2012 11:46 PM, Mick Dowling wrote:
> Is a MESS of routers the collective noun? I was just getting comfortable
> with thinking it might be a TABLE of routers.
>
> So confused...
>
Having been a student of the English lexicon for more than 7 decades, it 
is my firm belief and educated opinion that  - just as it is a congress 
of baboons -  the correct term for the quantity that Frank has is a 
'raft' of routers.

Please pass the spittoon - don't throw it at me!

-- 
Bob Hutchins
Temple, TX, USA
Preserving ASCII art with every post

    \|||/
   ( © © )
ooO_(..)_Ooo_______ _________
_____|_____| _____|___ __|____
___|____|___ __|_____| _____|_
Kilroy Was Here!

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GGs: I think it's an "embarrassment" of routers, m'self, but that's the
jealousy talking. sincerely; gam virtually router-free in WA/USA


If you were Einstein's father, we wouldn't have the bomb." Peggy Hill


--- On Mon, 5/21/12, Robert Hutchins <rhhutchins@h...> wrote:

> From: Robert Hutchins <rhhutchins@h...> Subject: Re: [OldTools] The
> New Router Table - May 2012 To: oldtools@r...ell.edu Date: Monday, May
> 21, 2012, 12:05 PM On 5/20/2012 11:46 PM, Mick Dowling wrote:
> > Is a MESS of routers the collective noun? I was just
> getting comfortable
> > with thinking it might be a TABLE of routers.
> >
> > So confused...
> >
> Having been a student of the English lexicon for more than 7 decades,
> it is my firm belief and educated opinion that=A0 - just as it is a
> congress of baboons -=A0 the correct term for the quantity that Frank
> has is a 'raft' of routers.
>
> Please pass the spittoon - don't throw it at me!
>
> -- Bob Hutchins Temple, TX, USA Preserving ASCII art with every post
>
> =A0=A0=A0\|||/ =A0 ( =A9 =A9 ) ooO_(..)_Ooo_______ _________
> _____|_____| _____|___ __|____ ___|____|___ __|_____| _____|_ Kilroy
> Was Here!
>
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Frank,
That's a Fine Mess of routers you have gotten yourself into!
Cheers!
Wes

Wes,

Several people offered suggestions for what a small group of 
mini-routers like mine would be called.  I tend to call something like 
this a Table of Routers.

http://tinyurl.com/cg3r95e

And this either a Mess or Routers or a Bucket of Routers.  The latter 
title probably won't work, because the Bucket isn't full yet.  :-)

https://picasaweb.google.com/Dilloworks/BucketOrMessOfRouters

Frank Sronce (Fort Worth Armadillo Works)

 

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All of you are obviously obsessed.  The best thing that you could do is to
quick cold turkey just as son as possible and send all of those plethora of
routers to me for safe keeping.  I promise that I will take very good care
of them.  Ha ha!

I only have 2, an MF #77 and a Stanley #271.  Btw, I'm looking for one of
the spear pointed cutters for the #77.  One from a Stanley would work.  I
don't suppose anyone out there has a spare one that they aren't using?

Doc
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Kirk Eppler said:

> This eccentric one is especially attractive.
>
>
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-IeXoK1uKxQs/T5chSYZXZQI/AAAAAAAAE-c/Y5QKFlx9mc0/s720/IMG_1586.JPG

Hi Kirk,

That one was made by Trevor Walsh and given to me as a Galootaclaus 
present in 2010.

https://picasaweb.google.com/Dilloworks/Galootaclaus2010

Frank Sronce (Fort Worth Armadillo Works) 

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On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Frank Sronce <dilloworks@s...>wrote:

> Kirk Eppler said:
>
>  This eccentric one is especially attractive.
>>
>> https://lh4.googleusercontent.**com/-IeXoK1uKxQs/T5chSYZXZQI/**
>>
AAAAAAAAE-c/Y5QKFlx9mc0/s720/**IMG_1586.JPG<https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-IeXoK1uKxQs/T5chSYZXZQI/AAAAAAAAE-c/Y5QKFlx9mc0/s720/IMG_1586.JPG>
>>
>
>
> That one was made by Trevor Walsh and given to me as a Galootaclaus
> present in 2010.
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/Dilloworks/Galootaclaus2010
>

Wow, I don't remember that one from 1.5 years ago.  Quite cool, and a
really good reason for the eccentric.  Now who was just asking about
cleaning out half laps, I hope you see this one.

Kirk in HMB, owner of some 043 rods from Trevor
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I believe that was Bruno over in France that was asking about the half
lap.  I was thinking the very same thing.

Doc
On May 21, 2012 7:13 PM, "Kirk Eppler" <eppler.kirk@g...> wrote:

> On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 4:52 PM, Frank Sronce <dilloworks@s...
> >wrote:
>
> > Kirk Eppler said:
> >
> >  This eccentric one is especially attractive.
> >>
> >> https://lh4.googleusercontent.**com/-IeXoK1uKxQs/T5chSYZXZQI/**
> >> AAAAAAAAE-c/Y5QKFlx9mc0/s720/**IMG_1586.JPG<
>
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-IeXoK1uKxQs/T5chSYZXZQI/AAAAAAAAE-c/Y5QKFlx9mc0/s720/IMG_1586.JPG
> >
> >>
> >
> >
> > That one was made by Trevor Walsh and given to me as a Galootaclaus
> > present in 2010.
> >
> > https://picasaweb.google.com/Dilloworks/Galootaclaus2010
> >
>
> Wow, I don't remember that one from 1.5 years ago.  Quite cool, and a
> really good reason for the eccentric.  Now who was just asking about
> cleaning out half laps, I hope you see this one.
>
> Kirk in HMB, owner of some 043 rods from Trevor
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Taylor" <cft98208@y...>

https://picasaweb.google.com/Dilloworks/RouterTableNew2012
Frank, I was intrigued by a couple of the OWT routers in photo 8 of 16. 
The ones with a body shaped sort of like a coffin plane but with a "U" 
or "V" shaped cutout in the front and an iron held in place by a wedge. 
I'd like to see more detailed photos of those showing how they are set 
up, how the irons are ground, etc. What are the bedding angles?

Hi Chuck,

The one with the "U" shaped cutout was made by Marples & Sons.

The other didn't have any markings but came with a set of 4 or 6 plow 
plane blades.  Looking at the back of the router, it is clear someone 
did use it - lots of hammer hits for making depth adjustments.  The 
blades are marked J. Howarts, Sheffield - sizes 3, 6, 7, and 8.  I 
thought it came with 6 irons, but if so, I am missing a couple.

I'll get back to you with pictures measurements, etc.

Frank Sronce (Fort Worth Armadillo Works) 

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> GGs:
>   I think it's an "embarrassment" of routers, m'self, but that's the jealousy
> talking.
>        sincerely; gam virtually router-free in WA/USA
> 
No, sorry. I hate to be picky but 'an embarrassment' is the term for a lot
of axes.

>From archived message no. 215962 Philip Yarra writes, ' So now I have an
embarrassment of axes (collective noun for axes in a pile by the shed door)
which is nice - I can leave my good working ones alone, and experiment on
the others, trying different edge profiles. I also tried polishing one of
them up, at least for the 3 inches behind the cutting edge. '

Mick Dowling
Melbourne
Member, Hand Tool Preservation Association of Australia Inc.

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> I believe that was Bruno over in France that was asking about the half
> lap.  I was thinking the very same thing.
That was, me, yes. Thanks!

Kind regards,
-- 
Bruno Verachten
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I'm with Gary.  'Embarrassment' is perfect for this!

BTW, most of these collective names originated with English 'men of 
leisure', so I think our brethren from across the pond needs to weigh in 
here.

Ed

On 5/21/2012 5:52 PM, gary may wrote:
> GGs:
>    I think it's an "embarrassment" of routers, m'self, but that's the jealousy
talking.
>         sincerely; gam virtually router-free in WA/USA
>
>
> --- On Mon, 5/21/12, Robert Hutchins<rhhutchins@h...>  wrote:
>
>> Is a MESS of routers the collective noun? I was just
>> getting comfortable
>>> with thinking it might be a TABLE of routers.
>>>
>>> So confused...
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Chuck,

Here is information you asked for regarding the two wooden (OWT) routers 
that look very similar.  They are almost clones, except for the 
difference in the shape of the
openings at the front and a 1/4" difference in height.  Look at the 
pictures.

They are both about 7" long.  The unmarked one is about 2-1/2" at its 
widest
point and the Marples is about 1/8" wider.   The unmarked one is 2-3/4"
high, the Marples is 2-1/2" high.   The bedding angles are around 50-55 
degrees. (My angle measuring isn't too great.)

The opening on the top of the Marples is 5/8" x 7/8".    The opening on 
top of the other is 11/16" x 1-3/16".

The Marples iron is flat and measures 1/4" thick x 5" wide x 5-3/4" 
long.

The mouth on the Marples is 5/8" x 1/2".  The mouth on the other is 5/8" 
in both directions.  The wedge width on the Marples is about 5/8".  The 
other wedge is just a hair wider and uses standard plow plane irons. 
Take a look at the pictures

Pictures are located here:

https://picasaweb.google.com/Dilloworks/RoutersMarplesAndUnknown

If you need anything else, let me know.  If you make a similar one, I'd 
like to see pictures.  Come to think of it, I wonder what a 3-1/2" 
mini-version would look like.  (Grin - grin - grin)

Frank Sronce (Fort Worth Armadillo Works)

> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Chuck Taylor" <cft98208@y...>
>
> https://picasaweb.google.com/Dilloworks/RouterTableNew2012
> Frank, I was intrigued by a couple of the OWT routers in photo 8 of
> 16. The ones with a body shaped sort of like a coffin plane but with a
> "U" or "V" shaped cutout in the front and an iron held in place by a
> wedge. I'd like to see more detailed photos of those showing how they
> are set up, how the irons are ground, etc. What are the bedding
> angles?
>
> Hi Chuck,
>
> The one with the "U" shaped cutout was made by Marples & Sons.
>
> The other didn't have any markings but came with a set of 4 or 6 plow
> plane blades.  Looking at the back of the router, it is clear someone
> did use it - lots of hammer hits for making depth adjustments.  The
> blades are marked J. Howarts, Sheffield - sizes 3, 6, 7, and 8.  I
> thought it came with 6 irons, but if so, I am missing a couple.
>
> I'll get back to you with pictures measurements, etc.
>
> Frank Sronce (Fort Worth Armadillo Works)

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Hi Frank

Responding a little late to your original post and pictures of the 
"embarrassment of routers". Partly shock, partly awe, mostly envy...a 
delightful sight.

Perhaps you could kindly explain one thing that puzzles me about the 
two particular routers here. Both have a very large notch opening in 
the front that emulates the open arrangement of some router designs so 
that you can observe exactly where and how the blade is cutting. But 
the bottom opening for the blade in these two is behind the notch and 
the blades would not then be visible during use. That kinda implies 
you can see close to where the blade is, but are still guessing how 
far it is actually cutting?

I suppose you could put a stop mark past where you intend to rout on 
the project wood, at the distance between the notch and the cutter 
edge, and then know when to stop. That would perhaps be easier for the 
router with a squared off inner end of notch.

regards
Steve in Thunder Bay, Ontario

Frank wrote:
Chuck,
Here is information you asked for regarding the two wooden (OWT) 
routers that look very similar.  They are almost clones, except for 
the difference in the shape of the openings at the front and a 1/4" 
difference in height.  Look at the pictures.
<snip>
Pictures are located here:
https://picasaweb.google.com/Dilloworks/RoutersMarplesAndUnknown
<snip> 

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Steve,

You have a good question, for which I do not have a definitive answer - 
but that won't stop me from talking.   I have a dozen or more wooden OWT 
routers.  Of the dozen closest at hand (on the table next to my 
computer), six fall into the "blind" router category.  To be honest, I 
have to admit that I have never used any of those six in mortal combat. 
But, I can see situations where they could be used as well as a 
"sighted" router.

For instance, cleaning up a tenon:  You already have a shoulder for the 
blade to work against on one side of the tenon, and the other three 
edges don't matter.

Another example:  The last time I used a small router was in cleaning up 
and leveling the bottom of a small rectangular hole (1-5/8" x 3" x 
?deep) on a workbench to inlay an adjustable planing stop (one of those 
where you turn a thumb screw and a stop is raised above the level of the 
bench).  The edges were outlined with a knife and then a chisel was used 
to take out most of the wood I needed removed.  When the "hole" was 
close to what I needed, I used a small router to level it to the needed 
depth.  I used a brass router made by a gent from Austin to finish the 
job, but one of the "blind" routers could have done the job just as 
well, since all four sides of the hole were already defined.  In fact, 
because of its size and mass, the Marples router would probably been the 
perfect router to use.

I'm sure there are many other situations where a "blind" router would 
accomplish its task as well as any other router.  Comments anyone?

Frank Sronce (Fort Worth Armadillo Works)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "S or J" <jstudio@t...>
To: "OldTools List" <oldtools@r...>
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 1:20 PM
Subject: [OldTools] Re: The New Router Table - May 2012

> Hi Frank
> Snip>
>
> Perhaps you could kindly explain one thing that puzzles me about the
> two particular routers here. Both have a very large notch opening in
> the front that emulates the open arrangement of some router designs so
> that you can observe exactly where and how the blade is cutting. But
> the bottom opening for the blade in these two is behind the notch and
> the blades would not then be visible during use. That kinda implies
> you can see close to where the blade is, but are still guessing how
> far it is actually cutting?
>
> I suppose you could put a stop mark past where you intend to rout on
> the project wood, at the distance between the notch and the cutter
> edge, and then know when to stop. That would perhaps be easier for the
> router with a squared off inner end of notch.
>
> regards
> Steve in Thunder Bay, Ontario
> <snip>
> Pictures are located here:
> https://picasaweb.google.com/Dilloworks/RoutersMarplesAndUnknown
> <snip>
 

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Steve in Thunder Bay wrote:

=======
Perhaps you could kindly explain one thing that puzzles me about the=A0
two particular routers here. Both have a very large notch opening in=A0
the front that emulates the open arrangement of some router designs
so=A0 that you can observe exactly where and how the blade is cutting.
But=A0 the bottom opening for the blade in these two is behind the notch
and=A0 the blades would not then be visible during use. That kinda
implies=A0 you can see close to where the blade is, but are still
guessing how=A0 far it is actually cutting?=A0
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Notice that the front of the mouth and the rear of the large notch in
the front are pretty close together. Hard to say exactly from here, but
I would guess 3/16" from the photos. Frank says that the irons are
bedded at about 50 to 55 degrees. That means that the iron doesn't go
straight down like in an iron router plane such as a Stanley 71; it
protrudes down and forward.=A0

Suppose you are using the router plane to smooth the bottom of a groove
about 1/2" deep. Surely the iron will protrude far enough forward that
it will be easily visible from the front of the router plane.

So, the answer is, approximately, if the groove is deeper than the
distance between the mouth and the back of the large notch in the front,
you'll more than likely be able to see the leading edge of the iron from
the front.

Hope that's clear enough.

Cheers, Chuck Taylor going by geometry, not experience

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