All this talk about finding tools... I had to find a spade bit yesterday
and I had the hardest time.

I stood there looking at my bench and decided I can't find anything
because I have too many drawers. I counted 74 including the 10 that
are part of my actual bench. Stupid tool chests. No wonder I can't
find anything.

Cheers, Wes--------------------------------------------------------------
----------

I wish that was the reap that I can't find things when I need then.  Mine
usually manage to be hidden it in plain sight.

Doc
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Y'all just need a pseudo-extreme case of OCD like me, which forces me
to (re-) label every single drawer explicitly... then it'll still take
you 20 mins to find something, but not because it's hidden or
un-findable, but because it takes you that long to read all the labels
until you find where you stuck the 'marettes' or '#2 brass slot-read
screws, 3/4 inch' drawer.

;)

-- 
Rudy X. Desjardins
pgp: 96FFA628
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On 4/20/2012 9:22 AM, Rudy X. Desjardins wrote:
> Y'all just need a pseudo-extreme case of OCD like me, which forces me
> to (re-) label every single drawer explicitly... then it'll still take
> you 20 mins to find something, but not because it's hidden or
> un-findable, but because it takes you that long to read all the labels
> until you find where you stuck the 'marettes' or '#2 brass slot-read
> screws, 3/4 inch' drawer.
>
> ;)
>
Never mind all that. Ping me off-line and I'll send you my address.
Don

-- 
I have tried too in my time, to be a philosopher; but I don't know how, 
cheerfulness was always breaking in. - Oliver Edwards
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On Apr 20, 2012, at 11:15 AM, WesG <wesg@g...> wrote:

> All this talk about finding tools... I had to find a spade bit
> yesterday and I had the hardest time.

A week or two back we were discussing the dearth of auger bit files. I
was feeling quite smug because a) I have three and b) I was going to be
using one that very day on my #12 RJ before drilling out for a bunch of
largish mortises. STILL HAVEN'T FOUND THOSE #%%}=C2=A5 FILES!

Bill--------------------------------------------------------------
----------

Drawers are good things to have, IMHO.  My problem is remembering where 
I set a tool down two minutes ago!  Or which pocket I put it in...

Ed

On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 11:15 AM, WesG wrote:

> All this talk about finding tools...
> I had to find a spade bit yesterday and I had the hardest time.
>
> I stood there looking at my bench and decided I can't find anything 
> because I have too many drawers.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Before I can find the right drawer, I have to find the right chest.  

Frank Sronce (Fort Worth Armadillo Works)

 
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Frank,
... And before that I have to be in the right room in the right building...

Wait a minute... That sounds like a gloat. Dang!
Wes

On Apr 20, 2012, at 4:30 PM, "Frank Sronce" <dilloworks@s...> wrote:

> Before I can find the right drawer, I have to find the right chest.  
> Frank Sronce (Fort Worth Armadillo Works)
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Wes said:

> ... And before that I have to be in the right room in the right 
> building...
>
> Wait a minute... That sounds like a gloat. Dang!

Wes,

That's okay no one but me will ever know you said it.  :-)

Frank Sronce (Fort Worth Armadillo Works)

> On Apr 20, 2012, at 4:30 PM, "Frank Sronce" <dilloworks@s...> 
> wrote:
>
>> Before I can find the right drawer, I have to find the right chest.
>> Frank Sronce (Fort Worth Armadillo Works) 

------------------------------------------------------------------------

 Nah...as I seeeeem to recall it...Gersterners' (note plurality) in the bath
room, study, dinning room, and every other room in the
house....grumblrgrumblrand idontevengrumblehaveone grumblegrumble....8^)

 Frank you need to go to bed, so you can get up a 3:30 AM to be at the tool sale
in Tulsa by 10AM....lets see 3 tanks of gas + 5 Coffees + 10  for the BEDrock 
That would make it about a $225 plane...

 If anybody shows I'll be the gray haired geezer with the beard....
Roy Griggs
roygriggs@v...
---- Frank Sronce <dilloworks@s...> wrote: 
> Wes said:
> 
> > ... And before that I have to be in the right room in the right 
> > building...
> >
> > Wait a minute... That sounds like a gloat. Dang!
> 
> Wes,
> 
> That's okay no one but me will ever know you said it.  :-)
> 
> Frank Sronce (Fort Worth Armadillo Works)
> 
> 
> > On Apr 20, 2012, at 4:30 PM, "Frank Sronce" <dilloworks@s...> 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Before I can find the right drawer, I have to find the right chest.
> >> Frank Sronce (Fort Worth Armadillo Works) 

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I'm sure I left it in  the bench drawer. Which bench? The one at the old 
house. DAHMUT

Snip

Where's that tool?

All this talk about finding tools...
I had to find a spade bit yesterday and I had the hardest time.

I stood there looking at my bench and decided I can't find anything because 
I have too many drawers.

I counted 74 including the 10 that are part of my actual bench.

Stupid tool chests. No wonder I can't find anything.

Cheers,
Wes
Unsnip 

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Oh yeah Wes??
   You know what you need to do!

  Hey guys, want to hear something weird?
Every time I label drawers, it actually take me -longer- to find stuff 
in them??
   The drawer with labels?
   I have to stand there and read the labels almost every time and never 
really memorize them.

   When I don't label drawers, I actually memorize what is in them 100% 
faster.
  It takes some time, but eventually I truly remember.

  I am not sure why this is true, but its true just the same.
  yours Scott

-- 
*******************************
    Scott Grandstaff
    Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca  96039
    scottg@s...
    http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/
    http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html

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GG,
 I had my stuff in labeled drawers, cabinets etc. but I to had to read and then
would find something else that interested me and I'd play with that. So I could
never really find what I was originaly looking for...then I took it all out and
mounted it where I could see everything , so now I know when I've lost
something...again....
Roy Griggs
roygriggs@v... 
---- scott grandstaff <scottg@s...> wrote: 
> Oh yeah Wes??
>    You know what you need to do!
> 
> 
>   Hey guys, want to hear something weird?
> Every time I label drawers, it actually take me -longer- to find stuff 
> in them??
>    The drawer with labels?
>    I have to stand there and read the labels almost every time and never 
> really memorize them.
> 
>    When I don't label drawers, I actually memorize what is in them 100% 
> faster.
>   It takes some time, but eventually I truly remember.
> 
>   I am not sure why this is true, but its true just the same.
>   yours Scott
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> *******************************
>     Scott Grandstaff
>     Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca  96039
>     scottg@s...
>     http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/
>     http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html
> 
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roygriggs@v...

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Was working on finishing the rough build of our new closets today and
couldn't find my tape measure anywhere.  Finally found a goofy little pink
one then found a folding rule near the closet next to the framing hammer.
Seems every time that I finally get to go to my shop that I spend most of my
time looking for this tool or that.  Does anyone else have that problem?
What do other people do?  Should I build a really big tool chest that can
hold everything?  My basement walls are not conducive to a studley type
hanging chest unless I hang it from a floor joist.  Maybe the answer is more
shop time so I will always know where stuff is.

Bad Andy

------------------------------------------------------------------------

I don't know the answer, Andy. I have a pencil problem. It doesn't matter how
many pencils I buy, and by the way, I don't think I have ever worn one out, I
can almost never find a pencil when I need one.

Now, I work in a hideous mess because I do not put anything away until I put
everything away after a project is finished. I constantly lay something down and
then can't find it until after a long search. This occupies more time than the
actual woodwork. You would think that I'd learn something from this, but I
don't.

I put away all my accumulated stuff from a few simultaneous projects yesterday,
cleaning off my Unisaw (which I haven't seen the table of in a couple of years)
and my bench.

Guess what I found in the process? Forty two, count 'em, 42 pencils. Now they
are safely ensconced back in the used pencil drawer where I will be able to find
one, right up until the time when the drawer is again empty and I start
searching for them again. It doesn't take all that long to take out all the
pencils because they hide from me as soon as I use one. And the game begins
again. I will sometimes in desperation go to the new pencil drawer and take one
out, but I really hate to do that because I know darned good and well that there
are dozens of them laying about.

At times I have to fall back on a marking knife or a scratch awl to mark
something, but this is also problematic because they also hide from me after one
use. I think they see me coming.

Just because I am paranoid doesn't mean people aren't after me.

On Apr 21, 2012, at 1:08 PM, Andy Baughn wrote:

> Was working on finishing the rough build of our new closets today and
> couldn't find my tape measure anywhere.  Finally found a goofy little pink
> one then found a folding rule near the closet next to the framing hammer.
> Seems every time that I finally get to go to my shop that I spend most of my
> time looking for this tool or that.  Does anyone else have that problem?
> What do other people do?  Should I build a really big tool chest that can
> hold everything?  My basement walls are not conducive to a studley type
> hanging chest unless I hang it from a floor joist.  Maybe the answer is more
> shop time so I will always know where stuff is.
> 
> Bad Andy
> 
> 
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At times, I will get down in the shop and spend some time arranging and
organizing.  I'll get it all nice and neat.  Then is where the problem
arises.  I go and buy something else and now I don't have a place to put
the new one.  If I never bought anything else, I'd be just fine, but, we
all know that ain't gonna happen.  Like Bill Cosby said, "You get a new and
bigger house so you have room for all your stuff, then you get more stuff
until you need a bigger house."  And the cycle hours on and on.  Shops and
tools are the same way.  "You never really have enough."

Doc
On Apr 21, 2012 3:09 PM, "Andy Baughn" <badandy@c...> wrote:

> Was working on finishing the rough build of our new closets today and
> couldn't find my tape measure anywhere.  Finally found a goofy little pink
> one then found a folding rule near the closet next to the framing hammer.
> Seems every time that I finally get to go to my shop that I spend most of
> my
> time looking for this tool or that.  Does anyone else have that problem?
> What do other people do?  Should I build a really big tool chest that can
> hold everything?  My basement walls are not conducive to a studley type
> hanging chest unless I hang it from a floor joist.  Maybe the answer is
> more
> shop time so I will always know where stuff is.
>
> Bad Andy
>
>
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Jim puts it exactly the way I would.I've never been able to pick up a
tool, use it and put it back where it's supposed to be. Which means that
I go a couple months sometimes between clean-ups at the shop. Work time
is for working. Clean up time is actually pretty enjoyable. Music, a
cold beer and plenty of time to put things in their proper place.

Then 24 hours into the next project, the shop's a disaster all
over again.

Cheers, Wes

On Apr 21, 2012, at 3:34 PM, James Thompson <oldmillrat@m...> wrote:

> Now, I work in a hideous mess because I do not put anything away until
> I put everything away after a project is finished.
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You may be onto something here. I'm finding that more frequent shop 
times is having a beneficial effect on me so far as finding things is 
concerned. Also, just making a point of picking something up and moving 
it closer to its proper place, because I happen to be going in that 
direction, even if I'm not actually going to put it away. Things tend to 
gravitate toward their proper place as a result.

Another strategy I use with my wallet might be useful. When I put 
something in there, I put it in the front. Over time , the stuff I'm not 
using gets pushed to the back, and so I know where to look for things to 
ditch when it starts to get too thick.

As for the Studley and all those neat chests, I don't think I'd want 
one. I prefer to see stuff, rather than having it hidden away behind 
doors, drawer fronts and sliding tills.

FWIW
Don

On 4/21/2012 2:08 PM, Andy Baughn wrote:
> Was working on finishing the rough build of our new closets today and
> couldn't find my tape measure anywhere.  Finally found a goofy little pink
> one then found a folding rule near the closet next to the framing hammer.
> Seems every time that I finally get to go to my shop that I spend most of my
> time looking for this tool or that.  Does anyone else have that problem?
> What do other people do?  Should I build a really big tool chest that can
> hold everything?  My basement walls are not conducive to a studley type
> hanging chest unless I hang it from a floor joist.  Maybe the answer is more
> shop time so I will always know where stuff is.
>
> Bad Andy
>

I have tried too in my time, to be a philosopher; but I don't know how, 
cheerfulness was always breaking in. - Oliver Edwards
------------------------------------------------------------------------

Wes agrees with Jim..

> Jim puts it exactly the way I would.
> I've never been able to pick up a tool, use it and put it back where it's
supposed to be. Which means that I go a couple months sometimes between
clean-ups at the shop.
>
> Cheers,
> Wes
>
>
>
>> Now, I work in a hideous mess because I do not put anything away until I put
everything away after a project is finished.
>
FWIW, since I moved to being more serious about producing 'stuff'  I 
have had to alter my way of working.

Firstly - have fewer tools

    Whoah!  - settle down at the back, keep calm...   wait for the rest 
of the sentence...

Have fewer tools for the job in hand.   SO when we moved here I 
eventually decided that there were 2 kinds of tools - the workers, and 
the others.   We have many times mentioned how few tools any given 
professional worker had, and the reason usually being that he was a 
specialist.  The Carpenter and the Cabinetmaker had different tool kits 
from the Joiner and so on.   We tend to do something of everything, as 
well being an Electrician, a Plumber, an (aouto) mechanic, and so on.   
Which means we have tools for each discipline.

So I selected a set of users for making furniture, made a board to place 
on the wall over the bench, and cobbled up a rack for a set of planes - 
3 to 5 1/2  in 1/2 sizes (just one of each)  a rack for the everyday 
chisels, a rack for assorted drivers and suchlike, and space for a 
couple (3) of block planes, a shoulder plane, a 778 (rebate plane Jeff) 
a 71 (Router Plane, Jeff) and a lot of space for marking stuff.

I can, supposedly, reach up and pull down anything I'll commonly need.  
Becasue its as easy to reach up and replace it, I do so, most of the 
time.  Specialist stuff is ... somewhere..  in a chest, which will one 
day morph in to an underbench chest of shallow drawers.   Work is done 
on the bench, parts are stacked on horses behind me.   Never have to 
leave the workstation in theory.

Now - where did I leave that chunk of holly I need.

Richard Wilson
in a Northumberland that is drought free since I installed one of those 
'watering systems' for SWMBO

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On 4/21/2012 4:08 PM, Andy Baughn wrote:
> Seems every time that I finally get to go to my shop that I spend most of my
> time looking for this tool or that.  Does anyone else have that problem?

Oh no, that never happens to me.

Nope. I always find every item I'm looking for, right away.

Nope. I sure don't have that problem. Not me.

No sirree.

- Bill T.

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The weirdest thing. I swear!

I can't find something in my shop right? (Unlike Bill).
So I go into the kitchen, or whichever room in the house
my beloved wife is in at the time, and she asks right up - 
"what have you lost now?"

I confess to her that I can't find the whatsit and she says, 
again right up, have you looked in the corner by the doodads.

So I go look. Yep, thar it be. Is something going on here I should
know about?

PeterH in Perth
Extremely happy with my metal detector.  ;^)

 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Taggart" <w.taggart@v...>
To: oldtools@r...
Sent: Sunday, 22 April, 2012 6:28:58 PM GMT +08:00 Beijing / Chongqing / Hong
Kong / Urumqi
Subject: Re: [OldTools] Where's that tool?

On 4/21/2012 4:08 PM, Andy Baughn wrote:
> Seems every time that I finally get to go to my shop that I spend most of my
> time looking for this tool or that.  Does anyone else have that problem?

Oh no, that never happens to me.

Nope. I always find every item I'm looking for, right away.

Nope. I sure don't have that problem. Not me.

No sirree.

- Bill T.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Did ya'ever notice that you always find something at the last place you
looked?

Doc
Ducking and running to dodge whatever is being thrown my direction.  He he
he!
On Apr 22, 2012 6:14 AM, "Peter" <p-j-h@w...> wrote:

> The weirdest thing. I swear!
>
> I can't find something in my shop right? (Unlike Bill).
> So I go into the kitchen, or whichever room in the house
> my beloved wife is in at the time, and she asks right up -
> "what have you lost now?"
>
> I confess to her that I can't find the whatsit and she says,
> again right up, have you looked in the corner by the doodads.
>
> So I go look. Yep, thar it be. Is something going on here I should
> know about?
>
> PeterH in Perth
> Extremely happy with my metal detector.  ;^)
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bill Taggart" <w.taggart@v...>
> To: oldtools@r...
> Sent: Sunday, 22 April, 2012 6:28:58 PM GMT +08:00 Beijing / Chongqing /
> Hong Kong / Urumqi
> Subject: Re: [OldTools] Where's that tool?
>
>
> On 4/21/2012 4:08 PM, Andy Baughn wrote:
> > Seems every time that I finally get to go to my shop that I spend most
> of my
> > time looking for this tool or that.  Does anyone else have that problem?
>
> Oh no, that never happens to me.
>
> Nope. I always find every item I'm looking for, right away.
>
> Nope. I sure don't have that problem. Not me.
>
> No sirree.
>
> - Bill T.
>
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It bothers me to not find something I've misplaced, but there is an upside:
you generally come across many more items that leave you wondering  "when
did I get this?".  

T.Z.

On 4/22/12 8:01 AM, "John Holladay" <docholladay0820@g...> wrote:

> Did ya'ever notice that you always find something at the last place you
> looked?
> 
> Doc
> Ducking and running to dodge whatever is being thrown my direction.  He he
> he!
> On Apr 22, 2012 6:14 AM, "Peter" <p-j-h@w...> wrote:
> 
>> The weirdest thing. I swear!
>> 
>> I can't find something in my shop right? (Unlike Bill).
>> So I go into the kitchen, or whichever room in the house
>> my beloved wife is in at the time, and she asks right up -
>> "what have you lost now?"
>> 
>> I confess to her that I can't find the whatsit and she says,
>> again right up, have you looked in the corner by the doodads.
>> 
>> So I go look. Yep, thar it be. Is something going on here I should
>> know about?
>> 
>> PeterH in Perth
>> Extremely happy with my metal detector.  ;^)
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Bill Taggart" <w.taggart@v...>
>> To: oldtools@r...
>> Sent: Sunday, 22 April, 2012 6:28:58 PM GMT +08:00 Beijing / Chongqing /
>> Hong Kong / Urumqi
>> Subject: Re: [OldTools] Where's that tool?
>> 
>> 
>> On 4/21/2012 4:08 PM, Andy Baughn wrote:
>>> Seems every time that I finally get to go to my shop that I spend most
>> of my
>>> time looking for this tool or that.  Does anyone else have that problem?
>> 
>> Oh no, that never happens to me.
>> 
>> Nope. I always find every item I'm looking for, right away.
>> 
>> Nope. I sure don't have that problem. Not me.
>> 
>> No sirree.
>> 
>> - Bill T.
>> 
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On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Andy Baughn <badandy@c...> wrote:

> Was working on finishing the rough build of our new closets today and
> couldn't find my tape measure anywhere.  Finally found a goofy little pink
> one then found a folding rule near the closet next to the framing hammer.
> Seems every time that I finally get to go to my shop that I spend most of
> my
> time looking for this tool or that.  Does anyone else have that problem?
> What do other people do?
>

Certain key tools I have multiples of.  Tape measures is one of those.  1
on the workbench, dedicated to projects there. 1 in the home office desk
drawer.  1 in the kitchen.  1 in the truck.  A handful in the tool cabinet
near the garage door. Plus the folding rules, yard sticks, pocket rulers.
All conveniently scattered about. Reduces the time spent looking when I
need one in an upstairs bedroom.

Kirk in HMB, cool and foggy after a gorgeous Saturday.
------------------------------------------------------------------------

For a handful of tools (tape measure, marking gauge etc.) every time I spend
more than 5 minutes looking for one, I put it on my "buy one now" list.
After a while, you reach critical mass, and have enough scattered about that
you don't have to look often.

Painting them bright colors helps a lot too..
-James

-----Original Message-----
From: oldtools-bounces@r...
[mailto:oldtools-bounces@r...] On Behalf Of Kirk Eppler
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 11:56 AM
To: Andy Baughn
Cc: OldTools@r...
Subject: Re: [OldTools] Where's that tool?

On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Andy Baughn <badandy@c...> wrote:

> Was working on finishing the rough build of our new closets today and 
> couldn't find my tape measure anywhere.  Finally found a goofy little 
> pink one then found a folding rule near the closet next to the framing
hammer.
> Seems every time that I finally get to go to my shop that I spend most 
> of my time looking for this tool or that.  Does anyone else have that 
> problem?
> What do other people do?
>

Certain key tools I have multiples of.  Tape measures is one of those.  1 on
the workbench, dedicated to projects there. 1 in the home office desk
drawer.  1 in the kitchen.  1 in the truck.  A handful in the tool cabinet
near the garage door. Plus the folding rules, yard sticks, pocket rulers.
All conveniently scattered about. Reduces the time spent looking when I need
one in an upstairs bedroom.

Kirk in HMB, cool and foggy after a gorgeous Saturday.
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I've lost track of the number of tape measures, 4 in 1 screwdrivers, and 
utility knives I have spread through the house.  I do the same thing.  I've 
got them in the truck, in my briefcase for work, and in just about every 
room at home.  It drove my ex-wife nuts, but it meant that I always had one 
handy when I needed it.

Dennis

-----Original Message----- 
From: james duprie
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 12:54 PM
To: OldTools@r...
Subject: RE: [OldTools] Where's that tool?

For a handful of tools (tape measure, marking gauge etc.) every time I spend
more than 5 minutes looking for one, I put it on my "buy one now" list.
After a while, you reach critical mass, and have enough scattered about that
you don't have to look often.

Painting them bright colors helps a lot too..
-James

-----Original Message-----
From: oldtools-bounces@r...
[mailto:oldtools-bounces@r...] On Behalf Of Kirk Eppler
Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2012 11:56 AM
To: Andy Baughn
Cc: OldTools@r...
Subject: Re: [OldTools] Where's that tool?

On Sat, Apr 21, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Andy Baughn <badandy@c...> wrote:

> Was working on finishing the rough build of our new closets today and
> couldn't find my tape measure anywhere.  Finally found a goofy little
> pink one then found a folding rule near the closet next to the framing
hammer.
> Seems every time that I finally get to go to my shop that I spend most
> of my time looking for this tool or that.  Does anyone else have that
> problem?
> What do other people do?
>

Certain key tools I have multiples of.  Tape measures is one of those.  1 on
the workbench, dedicated to projects there. 1 in the home office desk
drawer.  1 in the kitchen.  1 in the truck.  A handful in the tool cabinet
near the garage door. Plus the folding rules, yard sticks, pocket rulers.
All conveniently scattered about. Reduces the time spent looking when I need
one in an upstairs bedroom.

Kirk in HMB, cool and foggy after a gorgeous Saturday.
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On 4/22/2012 8:01 AM, John Holladay wrote:

>  Did ya'ever notice that you always find something at the last place you
looked?

That ain't the half of it.  Far too often I find what I'm looking for in the
very last place I COULD look for it...  Argh!

Darrell
who found a use for those cheap carving chisels: soapstone!
and who now has a plan for the soapstone block rescued from
the trash... See Jim, gloats abound!  Minor ones, but still gloats.

-- 
Darrell LaRue
Oakville ON
Wood Hoarder, Blade Sharpener, and Occasional Tool User

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Apologies to those who may be offended by additional
band width by me on this subject - but -

"The memory ain't what she used to be either:"

There I was busy measuring, cutting, welding security
screens to cover our Men's Shed glass doors. 

Now I own a bright Lime green, 8 metre tape measure which 
I'm using on this job.

One of the guys sees me wandering around apparently searching
for something and asks the question - what you lost Pete?
So I says, have you seen my big lime green tape measure Gav?
He says, yeah, it's in you left hand!

Oh dear me, oh deary me.

For those of you harboring doubt, the job came out all right.
Thanks for asking. ;^) 

PeterH in Perth

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Darrell & Kathy" <larchmont@s...>
To: oldtools@r...
Sent: Monday, 23 April, 2012 1:31:20 AM GMT +08:00 Beijing / Chongqing / Hong
Kong / Urumqi
Subject: Re: [OldTools] Where's that tool?

On 4/22/2012 8:01 AM, John Holladay wrote:

>  Did ya'ever notice that you always find something at the last place you
looked?

That ain't the half of it.  Far too often I find what I'm looking for in the
very last place I COULD look for it...  Argh!

Darrell
who found a use for those cheap carving chisels: soapstone!
and who now has a plan for the soapstone block rescued from
the trash... See Jim, gloats abound!  Minor ones, but still gloats.

-- 
Darrell LaRue
Oakville ON
Wood Hoarder, Blade Sharpener, and Occasional Tool User

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Hi Peter; If there are any screws/fasteners exposed on the non-secure
side, get you some security screws, one-way screws or "flat-head
carriage bolts" to make the screens non-removable from the outside. If
the screens are screwed to the door on the inside, make sure that the
door material provides sufficient bite for the screw lengths to prevent
the screen from being kicked
inwards=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6=E2=80=A6..

Also, consider the use of Lexan =E2=84=A2 instead of Plexiglas if/when
the window(s) break. Plexiglas will shatter, particularly in cold
temperatures (not that you will have any of that in Perth), Lexan and
similar products will not break/shear under impact forces. Security
window film is another alternative to metal screens, but you
can=E2=80=99t build that from =E2=80=9Cobjets trouves=E2=80=9D (artsy-
fartsy term for Found Objects, Jeff). For that stuff you will have to
invest about 12$/ppsf.

Your Friendly Neighborhood Porch Security Department Where we are
Expecting Snow overnight!!?? #%$%$%@Weather!!!!

-----Original Message----- From: oldtools-bounces@r... [mailto:oldtools-
bounces@r...] On Behalf Of Peter

There I was busy measuring, cutting, welding security screens to cover
our Men's Shed glass doors. PeterH in Perth

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On 4/22/2012 9:12 PM, ASRA-Eduardo De Diego wrote:
> Hi Peter;
> If there are any screws/fasteners exposed on the non-secure side, get you some
security screws, one-way screws or "flat-head carriage bolts" to make the
screens non-removable from the outside. If the screens are screwed to the door
on the inside, make sure that the door material provides sufficient bite for the
screw lengths to prevent the screen from being kicked
inwardsâEUR¦âEUR¦âEUR¦âEUR¦âEUR¦..
>
> Also, consider the use of Lexan â"¢ instead of Plexiglas if/when the window(s)
break. Plexiglas will shatter, particularly in cold temperatures (not that you
will have any of that in Perth), Lexan and similar products will not break/shear
under impact forces. Security window film is another alternative to metal
screens, but you canâEUR^(TM)t build that from âEURoeobjets trouvesâEUR?
(artsy-fartsy term for Found Objects, Jeff). For that stuff you will have to
invest about 12$/ppsf.
>
> Your Friendly Neighborhood Porch Security Department
> Where we are Expecting Snow overnight!!?? #%$%$%@Weather!!!!
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldtools-bounces@r... [mailto:oldtools-bounces@r...] On Behalf Of Peter
>
> There I was busy measuring, cutting, welding security
> screens to cover our Men's Shed glass doors.
>
> PeterH in Perth
>
>
In a past life I had the dubious pleasure of observing a psychotic 
prisoner standing on a secured table (bolted to the floor) kicking a 
lexan window for about 15 min until guys with clubs & guns arrived to 
haul him away. That lexan bulged and strained and bent the steel frame, 
but it did not break.
FWIW
Don
-- 
I have tried too in my time, to be a philosopher; but I don't know how, 
cheerfulness was always breaking in. - Oliver Edwards
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It bothers me to not find something I've misplaced, but there is an
upside: you generally come across many more items that leave you
wondering "when did I get this?". T.Z.

What particularly bothers me about this is that I can remember needing
to buy a small item, but not remember that I've already found and bought
it. The evidence is there in front of me when I go to put the new one in
its proper place, sometimes showing that I've done it twice. Thankfully,
it hasn't happened yet with pricey items and only a couple times with
buying brand new supplies ....

Worse is knowing that I did buy it, it is not where it should be, I
can't find it, buy another one, use it, and then find the other brand
new one I knew I already had, and discover that I have two stashes
for the same item, sometimes with multiple spares in each location
.... after also finding three or four other things I didn't remember
having at all!

... and maybe the ultimate worst is you know you acquire or buy it
twice (example: taps or drill bits), find them both, and despite having
many of them, you still don't have the right size now that you just
need that ONE.

Charlie D.

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The buying it more than once made me put my catalogue online so I can
refer to what I have before buying it again
also the catalogue has locations so it "should" be easy to find...but
things dont get put back in the right place do they!

So now I got it bad...I barcode items and so can scan a location once
in a while updating its contents.
There is now an item status of lost!

Dave Caroline
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On 04/21/12, Don Schwartz wrote:

As for the Studley and all those neat chests, I don't think I'd want 
one. I prefer to see stuff, rather than having it hidden away behind 
doors, drawer fronts and sliding tills.

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I find that a well designed toolcabinet, that is strategically located next to
the bench, opens up for ready access to the tools, and then closes to keep out
the snarf.  The vast majority of cabinets don't have layered access to the tools
ala Studley, and that is for a good reason.  Access is more important to most of
us than packing density.

Regards,
Steve
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