> On Jan 27, 2012, at 10:09 PM, Jason Knight wrote:
>> I just came across an unusual smooth plane. Or, unusual to me, at
>> least. The only markings I find on it are on the adjustment knob
>> (Patented Aug 3d 1875) and on the blade (L Bailey's Patent Dec 24,
>> 1867). The unusual part is the that the lever cap has no spring
>> mechanism to lock the blade in. Instead, the whole assembly fits
>> under a rotating cam arm to hold the blade in. I tried using the
>> google as best I could, but I'm not coming up with anything like
>> this. I've put a few pictures at https://plus.google.com/photos/1140-
>> 67123585916531699/albums/5702511780153748865

On Jan 27, 2012, at 7:36 PM, Joshua Clark wrote:
> The plane looks unusual because it's not a Stanley. It was made by the
> Bailey Tool Co. of Woonsocket, RI. This was Selden, not Leonard
> Bailey. The earliest Bailey Tool Co. planes used this cam lock cap
> according to PTAMPIA. The blade should have the distinct battelaxe
> logo that Bailey Tool Co. used. I don't know if the cap iron is
> original with Leonard's patent date on it.. I don't know that much
> about these planes...

Josh has it right--the body of the plane is from Selden Bailey, who I
believe was Leonard's brother. The Aug. 3, 1875 patent on the adjustment
wheel seems to be this one:
<http://www.datamp.org/patents/displayPatent.php?pn=166240&id=8847> for
the levercap mechanism. Not sure what the wheel actually does, but looks
like it is meant to adjust the depth of cut. This seems to be the patent
for the cam lever for securing the blade to the frog:
<http://www.datamp.org/patents/displayPatent.php?pn=112675&id=8822> It
is dated March 14, 1871, assigned to Joseph and Selden Bailey of
Woonsocket, RI. The patent date of Dec. 24, 1867 on the cap iron
attached to your blade might add to the confusion. It is for Leonard
Bailey's springy cap iron, which allowed him to get away with relatively
thin blades. I believe the blade/cap iron on your plane is not correct
to the rest of the beast. It is apparently from 2 different Leonard Bailey-
design planes, put on a Selden Bailey plane. That is confirmed by the
presence of the small slot in the upper part of the cap iron, which in
Leonard Bailey's depth adjustment mechanism engages the upper tip of the
"Y" lever, which in turn is moved back and forth by the adjustment screw
protruding from the back of the frog--none of which appears on your
plane. I will point out, however, that the stamping of the Dec. 24, 1867
on the cap iron was a feature of "Type 1" of the sequence of Bailey-
Stanley planes, before Leonard sold out to Stanley, and known as "Boston
Bailey." (This from Roger K. Smith's type study in John Walter's big
Stanley book, p. 677.) So your cap iron, although incorrect for your
Seldon Bailey plane, dates from roughly the same era. Your BLADE,
however, if it is a Stanley blade, is from post-April 19, 1892. That's
when the larger round hole in the slot in the blade was switched from
the upper part to the end nearest the cutting edge. Have you inspected
the blade itself for any sort of logo? I imagine some collector might be
interested in what you have there . . . Tom Holloway

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Hello everyone,
I've been silent here for a while, but just came across an unusual smooth
plane. Or, unusual to me, at least. The only markings I find on it are on
the adjustment knob (Patented Aug 3d 1875) and on the blade (L Bailey's
Patent Dec 24, 1867). The unusual part is the that the lever cap has no
spring mechanism to lock the blade in. Instead, the whole assembly fits
under a rotating cam arm to hold the blade in. I tried using the google as
best I could, but I'm not coming up with anything like this. I've put a few
pictures at
https://plus.google.com/photos/114067123585916531699/albums/5702511780153748865

Thanks

Jason
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Jason-

The plane looks unusual because it's not a Stanley. It was made by the
Bailey Tool Co. of Woonsocket, RI. This was Selden, not Leonard Bailey.
The earliest Bailey Tool Co. planes used this cam lock cap according to
PTAMPIA. The blade should have the distinct battelaxe logo that Bailey
Tool Co. used. I don't know if the cap iron is original with Leonard's
patent date on it.. I don't know that much about these planes...

Hope this helps,

Josh

On Jan 27, 2012, at 10:09 PM, Jason Knight wrote:

> Hello everyone, I've been silent here for a while, but just came
> across an unusual smooth plane. Or, unusual to me, at least. The only
> markings I find on it are on the adjustment knob (Patented Aug 3d
> 1875) and on the blade (L Bailey's Patent Dec 24, 1867). The unusual
> part is the that the lever cap has no spring mechanism to lock the
> blade in. Instead, the whole assembly fits under a rotating cam arm
> to hold the blade in. I tried using the google as best I could, but
> I'm not coming up with anything like this. I've put a few pictures at
> https://plus.google.com/photos/114067123585916531699/albums/57025117-
> 80153748865
>> Thanks Jason
> --------------------
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Start the young scouts off right, using a rare antique plane.  They will
never be the same after that.  Not sure if for the good or bad.

Nice work, tooling for scouts.  And nice score on the plane too.

Kirk from the droid
On Jan 28, 2012 4:54 AM, "Jason Knight"  wrote:
>
> I picked this up at a local shop with a pile of other rust for my scout
> group to use, grabbing it because of its price tag as much as anything
> else.
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Tom,

I picked this up at a local shop with a pile of other rust for my scout
group to use, grabbing it because of its price tag as much as anything
else. As I started to look at it, and after hearing from Josh last night, I
decided to hold off on doing anything to it just yet. That said, I haven't
done anything to clean up the little bit of rust and age on the blade, but
I don't see any logo.

I know that members of this list are all about *using* tools instead of
collecting them, but if any of you maybe know of a tool collector, I'd
consider offers, if anyone wants to shoot me a note off list (
knight.j.e@g...). Or I may forward it to the North Pole for
GalootaClaus to find it a new home next winter...

Jason
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Hey Jason
  Sounds kind of like.....
"There's something wrong with this big rock! Its way too damn heavy and 
its too soft and it won't tone down, its shiny yellow all the time."

   Things could be worse.
   yours Scott

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>
> The 1892 patent, and all subsequent identifying logos on Stanley plane
> irons, was stamped in the upper portion of the blade, on the visible
> surface when correctly assembled. It has STANLEY in the top line, and
> Pat. Apl 19, '92   in smaller capital letters on the lower line. Looks like
> there is old rust covering that portion of your blade. I would take a razor
> blade window cleaning knife and go over that area gently, taking off the
> surface of the old rust to see if there might be lettering underneath.

Sho'nuff, Tom! Under the bright light of day, and with a little bit of
gentle scraping, STANLEY PAT APL 19 92 appeared!

So, it looks like the body of one plane, cap iron from a second, blade from
a 3rd.

Thanks, all! I'll post back if I dig up anything more on it.

Jason
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