Galoots,

Well, it's not a turntable, exactly, but a replacement base.  I
inherited an old Dual turntable from a friend, but storage in my
parents' hot attic while I was at college pretty much ruined the
faux wood base.  For some reason, I finally decided to fix it, using
no electrons for extra fun.

First step: resawing a 13/16" QS bubinga offcut, then ripping it.  Both
steps accomplished with an Atkins 400 5-1/2 pt, and this was my best
resaw effort yet (which ain't saying much).

http://gallery.me.com/amaxwell#100179/IMG_1503&bgcolor=black

http://gallery.me.com/amaxwell#100179/IMG_1505&bgcolor=black

The carcase was dovetailed together with through dovetails.  Pretty
straightforward, and nothing to brag about there.  Lots of chalk to
remind me of pin vs tail, up vs down.

http://gallery.me.com/amaxwell#100179/IMG_1666&bgcolor=black

The tricky part was dealing with the cutout that the mechanism fits
into.  It has weird cutouts, angles, and holes:

http://gallery.me.com/amaxwell#100179/IMG_1991&bgcolor=black

Wanting to use solid wood for that, I picked butternut since it's easy
to work, can be readily ebonized, and I have scrap on hand.  I
resawed/ripped 3/4" stock, and came up with a mitred bridle joint with
an oddly shaped shoulder:

http://gallery.me.com/amaxwell#100179/IMG_1667&bgcolor=black

I figured this would give it good strength for the mismatched widths,
and the 45 degree angle on each corner would be the only visible join
line.  Some careful paring was in order here, and I also had another
excuse to pull out the mitre jack I made last year.  The floats I made
earlier this year were useful in tuning the fit, since the tenon is only
1/8" thick.

After gluing up the interior frame and the carcase with hot hide glue, I
used a coping saw to do the curves and cutouts in the frame.  My biggest
mistake was in trying to use an auger bit to bore the holes (for the
turntable support springs).  A #11 auger bit near the edge of thin stock
that splits easily was not such a hot idea.

I did the remaining holes by boring a starter with an eggbeater and then
cutting them with a coping saw.  The split from the auger was repaired
with hide glue, and will probably last as long as this turntable.

The butternut is ebonized with rusty vinegar, the bubinga has a coat of
BLO+turpentine, and everything has several coats of amber shellac for a
final finish.

http://gallery.me.com/amaxwell#100179/IMG_1987&bgcolor=black

http://gallery.me.com/amaxwell#100179/IMG_1986&bgcolor=black

The interior frame sits on glue blocks, rather than a groove as in the
original, mainly for better support.  With the mechanism in place:

http://gallery.me.com/amaxwell#100179/IMG_1989&bgcolor=black

http://gallery.me.com/amaxwell#100179/IMG_1990&bgcolor=black

For the really bored and/or persistent, here's the list of tools used:

-- SAWS --

- Atkins #400 5-1/2 pt rip saw
- Disston #12 11 pt crosscut (new for this project!)
- Atkins #2 for dovetails (10" 13 pt)
- Bad Axe 16" xcut and 18" rip tenon saws
- Atkins coping saw

-- EDGE TOOLS --

- Various chisels (1-1/4" Swan I bought from T. Seo was indispensable)
- Various bench planes, incl. Stanley #3 & #6 (for shooting), LN #8
- No-name infill plane and Atkins #5 scraper for the bubinga
- LN 60-1/2 block plane for trimming the frame to fit the box

-- STUFF I MADE --

- Mitre jack
- Thin joinery floats
- New winding sticks
- New workbench

And probably others I forgot :).  This was my first project on the new
multi-split-top bench with no face vise, but I'm getting used to it.

regards,
Adam, spinning Paul Stookey at 33-1/3 in Port Angeles, WA

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On Jul 13, 2011, at 04:47 , w.taggart@v... wrote:

> The cabinetry probably is worth more than the hardware it contains!  heheh...

More than likely, and I've probably distressed audiophiles everywhere by my choi
ce of construction :).  I think my Dual 1214 was low-end 40 years ago, but I kee
p it around because it plays 78s.  My kids don't know what a cassette or 8-track
 looks like, but at least they recognize vinyl.

-- 
Adam

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Yep! I have a collection of vinyl that I started buying in the '50's. Somewhere 
around 600 records. No junk. I do love them.
My "Oldtool" turntable is a Technics purchased around 1990. I remember the diamo
nd needle costing about the same amount as the actual turntable.

Back in the day, I used to record my vinyl discs onto cassette tape so the vinyl
 records could remain pristine. Of course, the tapes deteriorate over time, but 
we didn't really know that back then.

I love my records
Black, shiny vinyl
Clicks and pops
And white noise
Man they sounded fine
I had my favorite stations
The ones that played them all
Country, soul and rock-and-roll
What happened to those times?

"Back when" by Tim McGraw

On Jul 13, 2011, at 7:19 AM, Ed Minch wrote:

> 
> On Jul 13, 2011, at 9:43 AM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote:
> 
>> >> More than likely, and I've probably distressed audiophiles everywhere by m
y choice of construction :).  I think my Dual 1214 was low-end 40 years ago, but
 I keep it around because it plays 78s.  My kids don't know what a cassette or 8
-track looks like, but at least they recognize vinyl.
> 
> 
> > So interesting.  Beautiful work Adam, and like others, I am intrigued by you
r bench.
> 
> > My youngest daughter is a blues singer in Brooklyn and she repairs high-end 
(is $50,000 still considered high-end?) guitars to keep herself alive.   She has
 a 1959 Gibson 225 (basic electric guitar, Jeff) with custom inlay in the neck -
 most probably from Gibson, but hard to say - and she uses a late 50's Fender am
p.  One of her bandmates is the sales rep for the only American manufacturer of 
tubes and she plays a 1957 Gibson 335 (pretty special electric guitar, Jeff) and
 has her choice of a dozen old tube amps.
> 
> My daughter and another woman cut a 10" vinyl record about 6 months ago:
> 
> http://www.insound.com/Split-Vinyl-10inch-Dayna-Kurtz-Mamie-Minch/P/INS72918/
> 
> And they would like to do more.
> 
> Ed Minch
> 
> 
> 
> 
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nicely done, adam. i have a rek-o-kut awaiting the same, good to see
someone else mixing hobbies!

best, bill felton, ca

just say "bach's cello concerti are brilliant on DG archiv vinyl"

On Jul 12, 2011, at 9:36 PM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote:

> Galoots,
>> Well, it's not a turntable, exactly, but a replacement base. I
> inherited an old Dual turntable from a friend, but storage in my
> parents' hot attic while I was at college pretty much ruined the faux
> wood base. For some reason, I finally decided to fix it, using no
> electrons for extra fun.
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nyet, the 1214 is a fine table, especially if you put a decent cartridge
on it. not quite up to the 1229 standard, but fine.

and you ought to check out some of the plinth builds on audiokarma,
yours would fit right in there and be much appreciated.

best, bill felton, ca

On Jul 13, 2011, at 6:43 AM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote:

>> On Jul 13, 2011, at 04:47 , w.taggart@v... wrote:
>>> The cabinetry probably is worth more than the hardware it contains!
>>> heheh...
>> More than likely, and I've probably distressed audiophiles everywhere
>> by my choice of construction :). I think my Dual 1214 was low-end 40
>> years ago, but I keep it around because it plays 78s. My kids don't
>> know what a cassette or 8-track looks like, but at least they
>> recognize vinyl. --> Adam
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Adam,  great work!  You can put down  in the Completely Impressed column.  
As interested as I was in the work, I  found myself studying the background 
looking at the tools you have, how you have  them stored for use, &c.  I, 
for one, would be very interested in  seeing 3 - 4 photos showing your bench, 
your tools, your immediate  workspace.

Great job on the resawing as well!  Thanks for sharing  your work.

Cheers,
John

John M. Johnston
There is a fine  line between hobby and mental illness. Dave Barry

In a message dated  7/12/2011 11:36:24 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
amaxwell@m...  writes:
Galoots,

Well, it's not a turntable, exactly, but a  replacement base.  

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On Jul 13, 2011, at 9:43 AM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote:

> More than likely, and I've probably distressed audiophiles  
> everywhere by my choice of construction :).  I think my Dual 1214  
> was low-end 40 years ago, but I keep it around because it plays  
> 78s.  My kids don't know what a cassette or 8-track looks like, but  
> at least they recognize vinyl.

So interesting.  Beautiful work Adam, and like others, I am intrigued  
by your bench.

My youngest daughter is a blues singer in Brooklyn and she repairs  
high-end (is $50,000 still considered high-end?) guitars to keep  
herself alive.   She has a 1959 Gibson 225 (basic electric guitar,  
Jeff) with custom inlay in the neck - most probably from Gibson, but  
hard to say - and she uses a late 50's Fender amp.  One of her  
bandmates is the sales rep for the only American manufacturer of tubes  
and she plays a 1957 Gibson 335 (pretty special electric guitar, Jeff)  
and has her choice of a dozen old tube amps.

My daughter and another woman cut a 10" vinyl record about 6 months ago:

http://www.insound.com/Split-Vinyl-10inch-Dayna-Kurtz-Mamie-Minch/P/INS72918/

And they would like to do more.

Ed Minch

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I would concur -- the 1214 is nothing to be ashamed of.  I have a 1218, 
which I think differed from the 1229 only in having a smaller platter 
(the 1229 has a full, 12" size).  And I think the Dual's were pretty 
widely respected in general -- certainly mid-range.

Very nice job on the base.  I'm still using the 'OEM' version that came 
with mine when I bought it in 1974 or 75. Along with my much beloved 
AR-2ax speakers, which need new foam surrounds.

Ed

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Bill Kasper wrote:

> nyet, the 1214 is a fine table, especially if you put a decent 
> cartridge on it.  not quite up to the 1229 standard, but fine.
>
> and you ought to check out some of the plinth builds on audiokarma, 
> yours would fit right in there and be much appreciated.
>
> best,
> bill
> felton, ca
>
> On Jul 13, 2011, at 6:43 AM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jul 13, 2011, at 04:47 , w.taggart@v... wrote:
>>
>>> The cabinetry probably is worth more than the hardware it contains! 
>>> heheh...
>>
>> More than likely, and I've probably distressed audiophiles everywhere 
>> by my choice of construction :).  I think my Dual 1214 was low-end 40 
>> years ago, but I keep it around because it plays 78s.  My kids don't 
>> know what a cassette or 8-track looks like, but at least they 
>> recognize vinyl.
>>
>> -- 
>> Adam
> 
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> aficionados, both collectors and users, to discuss the history, usage,
> value, location, availability, collectibility, and restoration of
> traditional handtools, especially woodworking tools.
>
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> http://ruckus.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools
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On Jul 13, 2011, at 06:32 , Sgt42RHR@a... wrote:

> I  found myself studying the background 

> looking at the tools you have, how you have  them stored for use, &c.  I, 
> for one, would be very interested in  seeing 3 - 4 photos showing your bench, 
> your tools, your immediate  workspace.

Okay, I put up the bench pictures this morning before work, and threw a few
others up just now.

* Saw till and brace storage:

http://gallery.me.com/amaxwell#100095/IMG_1992&bgcolor=black

* Pegboard and sandpaper rack:

http://gallery.me.com/amaxwell#100095/IMG_1994&bgcolor=black

* Planes, auger bits, and miscellaneous:

http://gallery.me.com/amaxwell#100095/IMG_1997&bgcolor=black

* Chisels and gouges in Grandstaff-inspired racks:

http://gallery.me.com/amaxwell#100095/IMG_1996&bgcolor=black

* Chisels awaiting another rack:

http://gallery.me.com/amaxwell#100095/IMG_1998&bgcolor=black

L-R, Buck Bros. 1/4" paring chisel, which arrived too late for this project,
3/8" Buck Bros with rhododendron handle, Ward 5/16" firmer (looked NOS) and
an unnamed 3/8" firmer, both with cocobolo handles I made last week.  3/8"
Stanley with some kind of fruitwood handle, 1" Chipaway with spalted cherry,
1-1/4" Swan that takes a beautiful edge, and grandpa's 1-3/4" Pexto.

Fleabay box lots of chisels have forced me to come up with a handle that I
can tolerate, and the tapered octagon is winning so far.

* Saw till:

http://gallery.me.com/amaxwell#100095/IMG_1993&bgcolor=black

* The latest 3 arrivals to fill said till:

http://gallery.me.com/amaxwell#100095/IMG_2000&bgcolor=black

Top to bottom:

1) Disston #7, 26" 7 pt rip (barely used, not gloatable price).

2) Disston D12, 26" 11 pt, sans nib, $37 including shipping on the bay,
which is a gloat these days.  The top horn was gone, so I made one from
cherry.  A bit of straightening with boiling water, and it's a great user.

3) Bottom is a Disston #7 28" 4-1/2 pt, perfectly straight but a bit dark.
The seller threw in a Disston apple-toted table saw with that one, which
was a nice bonus, along with a couple of replacement totes he'd made.  
It was a good deal for a coarse rip with a mostly-full plate.

Unfortunately I've kind of maxed out the till, though I think I could 
squeeze in another couple of backsaws if they start reproducing too.

regards,
Adam

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On Jul 13, 2011, at 21:40 , Dwight Beebe wrote:

> "A bit of straightening with boiling water, and it's a great user."
> You said this in reference to one of you new saws.  Can you elaborate?

The saw had a gentle curve along the blade, no kink or dent, and
I basically followed this advice:

http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?103313-How-to-straighten-bent-saw-bla
des

http://tinyurl.com/6c8fcf5

It worked better than my attempts at hammering with previous saws,
where I think I mostly managed to screw up the tension.  The result
was actually a pretty big surprise, as I expected the hot water to do
nothing.

-- 
Adam

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Hi Adam,

"A bit of straightening with boiling water, and it's a great user."
You said this in reference to one of you new saws.  Can you elaborate?

Thanks,

Dwight
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Interesting link to Sawmill Creek. Or rather=2C I was struck by the
author's name. Now "George Wilson" is a pretty common name=2C and I know
two. One was Dennis the Menace's nemesis (say that three times fast)=2C
and the other was the master tool maker at Colonial Williamsburg until
he recently retired. Apparently this is from the latter (his profile
doesn't do him justice). His advice is golden.

-T (We could go into where *he* might have gotten that bit of wisdom=2C
whether from an old mentor or some ancient text.)

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> Subject: Re: [OldTools] turntable finished From: amaxwell@m... Date:
> Wed=2C 13 Jul 2011 21:50:29 -0700 To: dwb1124@g...
> CC: OldTools@r...
>
> On Jul 13=2C 2011=2C at 21:40 =2C Dwight Beebe wrote:
>
> > "A bit of straightening with boiling water=2C and it's a great
> > user." You said this in reference to one of you new saws. Can you
> > elaborate?
>
> The saw had a gentle curve along the blade=2C no kink or dent=2C and I
> basically followed this advice:
>
> http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?103313-How-to-straighten-
> bent-saw-blades
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6c8fcf5
>
> It worked better than my attempts at hammering with previous saws=2C
> where I think I mostly managed to screw up the tension. The result was
> actually a pretty big surprise=2C as I expected the hot water to do
> nothing.
>
> --
> Adam

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                                          ------------------------------
                                          ------------

Tom -

Yes, it clearly is "that" George Wilson, because in a reply a few inches 
down, he writes:

"I made hundreds of saws while toolmaker at Colonial Williamsburg."

- Bill T.
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Quoting Ed Minch :

>
> On Jul 13, 2011, at 9:43 AM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote:
>
>> More than likely, and I've probably distressed audiophiles   
>> everywhere by my choice of construction :).  I think my Dual 1214   
>> was low-end 40 years ago,

low-end was the dual 1010 and it was still better than the garrard and  
BSR's of the time
  first number was 10 or 12 for the diameter of the turntable and  
second pair reflected the quality of the arm and cartridge 10 was  
basic and 19 was pretty high end

1214 was/is a good quality turntable

Whack a reasoble catridge in it and be surprised as the rubber  
suspension in a cartrige tends to become a solid block after about 10  
years

Neil

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Adam R. Maxwell writes:

> The saw had a gentle curve along the blade, no kink or dent, and
> I basically followed this advice:
>
> > http://www.sawmillcreek.org/showthread.php?103313-How-to-straighten-bent-saw
-blades
>
> http://tinyurl.com/6c8fcf5
>
> It worked better than my attempts at hammering with previous saws,
> where I think I mostly managed to screw up the tension.  The result
> was actually a pretty big surprise, as I expected the hot water to do
> nothing.

Thanks very much for the advice and reference to the site.

Received wisdom, for a long time, has been to "take the chill"  off a 
bent metal tool before attempting to re-straighten it as a precaution 
against its breaking.  My own version of adopting  such wisdom has been 
to apply a blowtorch as carefully as I could to the object until it has 
just become too hot to handle and then to strike it using a heavy piece 
of hardwood as an anvil and then to dunk it in cold water.  It had never 
occurred to me that the ideal way of heating the object safely would be 
to immerse it in boiling water.

Fortunately?, I have no dearth of bent saws awaiting my ministrations 
and look forward to trying the boiling water treatment in circumstances 
where, although I have taken the chill off other tools to straighten 
them, I have never been game enough to try to heat a saw before 
straightening it.

Regards from Brisbane,

John Manners 

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