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208811 Gary Roberts <toolemera@m...> 2010‑10‑05 Re: Circular or compassed rebate plane, and spar plane.
Mike

You don't want those in your collection. Please mail them to me and I'll pay pos
tage.

Ok... the small one is a carriagemakers hollow and the large one is a carriagema
kers grooving (some call it a plow) plane. The small one is worth a nice bit and
 the grooving/plow is worth a ton of bucks. 

Gary
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On Oct 5, 2010, at 7:47 AM, Mick Dowling wrote:

http://picasaweb.google.com/110606900822928930073/CircularRebatePlaneAndSpar
Plane#

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208810 Mick Dowling <spacelysprocket@b...> 2010‑10‑05 Circular or compassed rebate plane, and spar plane.
GGs

Recently had the brief pleasure of temporarily having in my hands a
seriously nice, and seriously unusual circular rebate plane. I will now
need to retract my statement from a few weeks ago when I described a
James Swan adjustable hollow auger as, =8Cthe snappiest bit of 100 year
old woodworking gadgetry that I've ever managed to own=B9.

Pics are here:http://picasaweb.google.com/110606900822928930073/Circula-
rRebatePlaneAndSpar Plane#

The plane has no. 86 stamped in 6 or more places, and I can only assume
these would be assembly marks. No makers mark.

Also in the photographs is a small, what I can only describe as a
spar plane. Compassed across its base. Interestingly it is handed.
Fits like a right hand glove when in the right hand, and similarly
but uncomfortably still fits like a right hand glove when held in the
left hand.

No makers mark on the spar plane either.

Both came out of a carriagemakers kit.

Mick Dowling Melbourne
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208827 Ed Minch <ruby@m...> 2010‑10‑06 Re: Circular or compassed rebate plane, and spar plane.
On Oct 6, 2010, at 5:44 AM, Jordan, Wolfgang wrote:

> there is a very interesting entry with lots of pictures and  
> information in a French forum about carriagemaker's grooving planes:
>
> http://outils-anciens.xooit.fr/t33-Les-bouvets-de-carrossier.htm
>
> Planes like the smaller one were made by different companies and up  
> to more recent times. Here's a page from a 1940 catalog by Friedrich  
> Ott, maker of the famous Frankenplanes ("Frankenhobel") ;-)
>
> http://www.holzwerken.de/museum/hersteller/kataloge/ott2_47.jpg
>
> Wolfgang

GG

Sorry for the bandwidth, but this list is an amazing place.

Ed Minch
Heading to Seattle for his 39th Anniversary

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208825 "Jordan, Wolfgang" <wolfgang.jordan@t...> 2010‑10‑06 RE: Circular or compassed rebate plane, and spar plane.
> Mick found a nice plane:
>
> http://picasaweb.google.com/110606900822928930073/CircularRebatePlane-
> AndSparPlane#

Mick,

there is a very interesting entry with lots of pictures and information
in a French forum about carriagemaker's grooving planes:

http://outils-anciens.xooit.fr/t33-Les-bouvets-de-carrossier.htm

You will find a plane just like yours on page 3 (the one that sold for
1600 $). There were a lot of different types in Europe, and the one you
found was made in Germany and is known as "Schweriner Nuthobel"
(grooving plane "Schwerin" pattern). Unfortunately I do not know much
about these planes other than they were obviously made in the city of
Schwerin (Northern Germany) by one or a group of makers.

Planes like the smaller one were made by different companies and up to
more recent times. Here's a page from a 1940 catalog by Friedrich Ott,
maker of the famous Frankenplanes ("Frankenhobel") ;-)

http://www.holzwerken.de/museum/hersteller/kataloge/ott2_47.jpg

Wolfgang

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208839 Mick Dowling <spacelysprocket@b...> 2010‑10‑07 Re: Circular or compassed rebate plane, and spar plane.
Hello Wolfgang

Thanks for the links.

I was surprised at how many variations there are. My knowledge of French
runs to about a dozen words, but my knowledge of $ =E2=82=AC =C2=A3
signs is broad. The value of some of these planes was surprising, and
disheartening at the same time.

The plane is not mine. I picked up a kit of tools that will be sold on
behalf of the owner by the Hand Tool Preservation Association of
Australia, the local Melbourne tool club. I had hoped I might be able to
buy it, but that=E2=80=99s looking unlikely now!

Some questions for anyone on the list who has used or knows how to use
the plane. The brass half round =E2=80=98guide=E2=80=99 for want of a
better word, I=E2=80=99d like to know how it works. Why is it this
shape? Is the plane primarily used to run a groove parallel to a half
round shape already run?

The smaller plane that I was calling a spar plane, is called a
Speichenhobel in the catalogue link you sent me. Speichenhobel,
translates via Babel Fish to =E2=80=98Spoke Plane=E2=80=99.

Mick Dowling Melbourne

On 6/10/10 8:44 PM, "Jordan, Wolfgang"  wrote:

>> Mick found a nice plane:
>>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/110606900822928930073/CircularRebatePl-
>>>> aneAndSparP
>> lane#
>>> Mick,
>> there is a very interesting entry with lots of pictures and
>> information in a
> French forum about carriagemaker's grooving planes:
>> http://outils-anciens.xooit.fr/t33-Les-bouvets-de-carrossier.htm
>> You will find a plane just like yours on page 3 (the one that sold
>> for 1600
> $). There were a lot of different types in Europe, and the one you
> found was made in Germany and is known as "Schweriner Nuthobel"
> (grooving plane "Schwerin" pattern). Unfortunately I do not know much
> about these planes other than they were obviously made in the city of
> Schwerin (Northern Germany) by one or a group of makers.
>> Planes like the smaller one were made by different companies and up
>> to more
> recent times. Here's a page from a 1940 catalog by Friedrich Ott,
> maker of the famous Frankenplanes ("Frankenhobel") ;-)
>> http://www.holzwerken.de/museum/hersteller/kataloge/ott2_47.jpg
>> Wolfgang
>
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