GG,
 Just to tide you over till Scott can post a pic of his marking knives...
Here is mine and the one I sent him...
http://tinyurl.com/2hl8af
roy

Roy Griggs
roygriggs@w...
www.shavingsandsawdust.com

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Bob writes:

So I made a marking knife by cutting material for the blade from an old
card scraper. Thin enough for any socket I've been able to cut yet.

_http://rhpwood.wordpress.com/2008/05/20/tools-marking-knives/_
(http://rhpwood.wordpress.com/2008/05/20/tools-marking-knives/)

John wonders in reply:

Is the scraper blade too thin to make a single bevel knife with a point
shap ed like the Japanese knife in the photo? It would seem that with
such an arrangement all you would have to do is to rotate the blade 180
degrees to mark the other side of a dovetail. Just wondering if the
material is too thin to do that.

Cheers, John


John M. Johnston, "There is a fine line between hobby and mental
illness." Dave Barry

**************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on
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Hey, John,

I think that would work, too. I like it this way only because it's  
really easy to know the point of the knife is fully at the back of  
the socket. You don't have to worry about tilting the knife over to  
get the point back there. In short, you can be a little bit more  
careless. But a pointed blade would certainly work -- that's what I  
used until I made this one.

--Bob in Eugene

John wonders in reply:

Is the scraper blade too thin to make a single bevel knife with a point
shap ed like the Japanese knife in the photo? It would seem that with
such an arrangement all you would have to do is to rotate the blade 180
degrees to mark the other side of a dovetail. Just wondering if the
material is too thin to do that.

Cheers, John
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> http://rhpwood.wordpress.com/2008/05/20/tools-marking-knives/

 Hey Bob Nice knife. If you get tired of trying to explain the blade
 shape in longer words? Just tell 'em it's a sheepsfoot blade. I use a
 sheepsfoot roughly 1/2 the time in everything I do.

  When you can raise up a handle high approaching verticle, a spear
  point or diamond point is a good blade, but when you are dealing with
  a lower handle angle than that to reach in, sheepsfoot does the trick.
  If you have to go really low angle, hawksbill. Slight downward curve.

 They made up names for blade shapes roughly when they invented language
 :-) It's possible to come up with a new blade shape people haven't
 thought of yet, but I never have. Whatever I think up, that I think is
 new? I can always go back and look at the old charts and, sure enough,
 it's close enough to one of the established shapes to call it that,
 everytime. yours, Scott

*******************************
   Scott Grandstaff Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca 96039 scottg@s...
   http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/
   http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html

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Ya forgot spear point and clip point...

- Bill T.
- Who long ago went off on a knife collecting thing for a few years, then in
a fit of temporary insanity sold the whole assortment at a garage sale to
de-clutterify; then almost immediately regretted it...

-----Original Message-----
From: oldtools-bounces@r...
[mailto:oldtools-bounces@r...] On Behalf Of scott
grandstaff
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:45 AM
To: porch
Subject: Re: [OldTools] marking knives

> http://rhpwood.wordpress.com/2008/05/20/tools-marking-knives/

 Hey Bob
  Nice knife.
 If you get tired of trying to explain the blade shape in longer words? Just
tell 'em it's a sheepsfoot blade.
 I use a sheepsfoot roughly 1/2 the time in everything I do.

  When you can raise up a handle high approaching verticle, a spear point or
diamond point is a good blade, but when you are dealing with a lower handle
angle than that to reach in, sheepsfoot does the trick.
  If you have to go really low angle, hawksbill. Slight downward curve.

 They made up names for blade shapes roughly when they invented language
:-)
  It's possible to come up with a new blade shape people haven't thought of
yet, but I never have.
  Whatever I think up, that I think is new?  I can always go back and look
at the old charts and, sure enough, it's close enough to one of the
established shapes to call it that, everytime.
 yours, Scott

*******************************
   Scott Grandstaff
   Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca  96039
   scottg@s...
   http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/
   http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html

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>knife collecting thing for a few years, then in a fit of temporary
>insanity sold the whole assortment at a garage sale
>
 Gak!!! Now thare would have been a yard sale I'd have loved to attend.
 Except, I expect I'd have had those telltale footprints up my back
 where Jack ran me right over getting in first?? Hee heee yours, Scott

*******************************
   Scott Grandstaff Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca 96039 scottg@s...
   http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/
   http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html

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I keep a Schrade Old Timer in my pocket at all times, though it is 
making modern life more difficult (I head into state buildings pretty 
regularly) and the sheeps foot blade is my go to blade for sharpening 
the kid's pencil at homework time. A dozen or so crappy plastic pencil 
sharpeners have given up the ghost just since the beginning of third 
grade, and the family cannot agree on the correct and proper location 
in the house for the hand cranked Boston pencil sharpener. Don't know 
what the GIT did with the aluminum Lee Valley belt clip sharpener I 
gave her.

Anyone else have an pencil sharpener in the house? Where did you put 
it? For some reason when I was a kid the thing was hung in the basement 
workshop/laundry room. Personally, the stairwell to the basement calls 
to me as the perfect place to hang the old Boston,  and said 
discussions start with scenarios involving hitting heads, shoulders etc 
on it in the dark stairwell, other locations envision similar household 
injuries and I give up and sharpen my penknife again.

Sigh......

Michael-San Francisco, lamenting a democratic (small d) household. 
Dexter #3 Sharpener in the shop, over the bench.

[mailto:oldtools-bounces@r...] On Behalf Of scott
grandstaff
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:45 AM
To: porch
Subject: Re: [OldTools] marking knives

> http://rhpwood.wordpress.com/2008/05/20/tools-marking-knives/

 Hey Bob
  Nice knife.
  If you get tired of trying to explain the blade shape in longer words? 
Just
tell 'em it's a sheepsfoot blade.
 I use a sheepsfoot roughly 1/2 the time in everything I do.

   When you can raise up a handle high approaching verticle, a spear 
point or
diamond point is a good blade, but when you are dealing with a lower 
handle
angle than that to reach in, sheepsfoot does the trick.
  If you have to go really low angle, hawksbill. Slight downward curve.

 They made up names for blade shapes roughly when they invented language
:-)
   It's possible to come up with a new blade shape people haven't 
thought of
yet, but I never have.
   Whatever I think up, that I think is new?  I can always go back and 
look
at the old charts and, sure enough, it's close enough to one of the
established shapes to call it that, everytime.
 yours, Scott

*******************************
   Scott Grandstaff
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nicknaylo@a... wrote:
> Anyone else have an pencil sharpener in the house? Where did you put 
> it? For some reason when I was a kid the thing was hung in the 
> basement workshop/laundry room. Personally, the stairwell to the 
> basement calls to me as the perfect place to hang the old Boston,  and 
> said discussions start with scenarios involving hitting heads, 
> shoulders etc on it in the dark stairwell, other locations envision 
> similar household injuries and I give up and sharpen my penknife again.
I have a couple of non-galootish ones in the house, and a Boston 
something in the shop attached to a shelf (I tried sharpening it, not my 
finest work for sure), but most work these days goes to the little hand 
held ones that I got from the website posted here a few months back.  
One here at work, one in the marking drawer in the workbench, one in 
each girls pencil bag.

-- 
Kirk Eppler getting to the point in HMB, CA
Process Development Engineering
Eppler.Kirk@g... 

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-----Original Message-----
From: oldtools-bounces@r...
[mailto:oldtools-bounces@r...] On Behalf Of
nicknaylo@a...
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:27 PM
To: OldTools@r...
Subject: Re: [OldTools] marking knives

> I keep a Schrade Old Timer in my pocket at all times, though it is
> making modern life more difficult (I head into state buildings pretty
> regularly)

Are they afraid you'll hijack the building with your mighty pen knife?  <eye
roll>  <insert reference to death of common sense>

> Anyone else have an pencil sharpener in the house?

Yup.  When we moved into our first house (built circa 1928), there was an
old Boston hand-cranked job hanging on the wall down in a pantry/closet in
the basement.  I liked it so much, I took it with me when we moved.  I've
had it ever since and installed it in every house we've had since.

> Where did you put it?

Current house - it's on the railing of the little deck/porch structure in
the garage.  The way our house is built, the garage floor is about 2-3 feet
lower than the house floor, so when you go out the family room door into the
garage, there is a little landing there, with steps going down to the left.
I screwed the sharpener down onto the flat railing on the landing.  Seems a
good location.  It doesn't seem to get that much use anymore, though - wifey
bought a `lectric sharpener that lives upstairs in the kids' playroom, and
they use that all the time now.

- Bill

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I have a pencil sharpener in the shop.  I like the location, as SWMBO and
GIT's all make their way down into the dungeon to sharpen their various
pencils quite frequently.  Actually they come down to nib around, which is
enjoyable and I would actually like them there more rather than less!

I also have a good old Buck folding knife on me at all times.  Small enough
that quick "frisks" usually overlook it, although going through a metal
detector, such as at a court house or airport, will detect it.  I keep it
very scary sharp--usually by giving a quick hone on the unglazed ceramic
located on the bottom of every coffee cup.  Saw this tip a few years back
and saw it a few weeks ago I believe on here!

T.Z.

Anthony M. Zaffuto, President
Metaltech, Inc.
3547 Watson Highway
DuBois, PA  15801
(814) 375-9399 Tel.
(814) 375-4199 Fax
tzmti@c...
(814) 541-5019 Cell

> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldtools-bounces@r... [mailto:oldtools-
> bounces@r...] On Behalf Of nicknaylo@a...
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:27 PM
> To: OldTools@r...
> Subject: Re: [OldTools] marking knives
> 
> 
> I keep a Schrade Old Timer in my pocket at all times, though it is
> making modern life more difficult (I head into state buildings pretty
> regularly) and the sheeps foot blade is my go to blade for sharpening
> the kid's pencil at homework time. A dozen or so crappy plastic pencil
> sharpeners have given up the ghost just since the beginning of third
> grade, and the family cannot agree on the correct and proper location
> in the house for the hand cranked Boston pencil sharpener. Don't know
> what the GIT did with the aluminum Lee Valley belt clip sharpener I
> gave her.
> 
> Anyone else have an pencil sharpener in the house? Where did you put
> it? For some reason when I was a kid the thing was hung in the basement
> workshop/laundry room. Personally, the stairwell to the basement calls
> to me as the perfect place to hang the old Boston,  and said
> discussions start with scenarios involving hitting heads, shoulders etc
> on it in the dark stairwell, other locations envision similar household
> injuries and I give up and sharpen my penknife again.
> 
> Sigh......
> 
> Michael-San Francisco, lamenting a democratic (small d) household.
> Dexter #3 Sharpener in the shop, over the bench.
> 
> 
> 
> [mailto:oldtools-bounces@r...] On Behalf Of scott
> grandstaff
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:45 AM
> To: porch
> Subject: Re: [OldTools] marking knives
> 
> 
> > http://rhpwood.wordpress.com/2008/05/20/tools-marking-knives/
> 
>  Hey Bob
>   Nice knife.
>   If you get tired of trying to explain the blade shape in longer words?
> Just
> tell 'em it's a sheepsfoot blade.
>  I use a sheepsfoot roughly 1/2 the time in everything I do.
> 
>    When you can raise up a handle high approaching verticle, a spear
> point or
> diamond point is a good blade, but when you are dealing with a lower
> handle
> angle than that to reach in, sheepsfoot does the trick.
>   If you have to go really low angle, hawksbill. Slight downward curve.
> 
>  They made up names for blade shapes roughly when they invented language
> :-)
>    It's possible to come up with a new blade shape people haven't
> thought of
> yet, but I never have.
>    Whatever I think up, that I think is new?  I can always go back and
> look
> at the old charts and, sure enough, it's close enough to one of the
> established shapes to call it that, everytime.
>  yours, Scott
> 
> 
> *******************************
>    Scott Grandstaff
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> aficionados, both collectors and users, to discuss the history, usage,
> value, location, availability, collectibility, and restoration of
> traditional handtools, especially woodworking tools.
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Well, sorry Michael
 I got to vote with the gang a stairwell isn't optimum for the same 
reasons they are outvoting you on.

 So, where do you have room on the other side of a cupbord door?
Under the sink maybe? Screw it to the back of the door?
 
   If you have a shelf with a lot of room underneath, well they mount 
upside down just as easy?
 
  Anywhere but the traffic lane. They do sort of stick out.
    yours, Scott
 

-- 
******************************* 
   Scott Grandstaff
   Box 409 Happy Camp, Ca  96039
   scottg@s...
   http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/sgrandstaff/
   http://www.snowcrest.net/kitty/hpages/index.html

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I have an Exacto wall mount model in my shop.  It is similar to the ones we
used to have in the front of the classroom in grade school.

Joe
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: oldtools-bounces@r...
[mailto:oldtools-bounces@r...] On Behalf Of Bill Taggart
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:46 AM
To: nicknaylo@a...; OldTools@r...
Subject: RE: [OldTools] marking knives

-----Original Message-----
From: oldtools-bounces@r...
[mailto:oldtools-bounces@r...] On Behalf Of
nicknaylo@a...
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:27 PM
To: OldTools@r...
Subject: Re: [OldTools] marking knives

> I keep a Schrade Old Timer in my pocket at all times, though it is
> making modern life more difficult (I head into state buildings pretty
> regularly)

Are they afraid you'll hijack the building with your mighty pen knife?  <eye
roll>  <insert reference to death of common sense>

> Anyone else have an pencil sharpener in the house?

Yup.  When we moved into our first house (built circa 1928), there was an
old Boston hand-cranked job hanging on the wall down in a pantry/closet in
the basement.  I liked it so much, I took it with me when we moved.  I've
had it ever since and installed it in every house we've had since.

> Where did you put it?

Current house - it's on the railing of the little deck/porch structure in
the garage.  The way our house is built, the garage floor is about 2-3 feet
lower than the house floor, so when you go out the family room door into the
garage, there is a little landing there, with steps going down to the left.
I screwed the sharpener down onto the flat railing on the landing.  Seems a
good location.  It doesn't seem to get that much use anymore, though - wifey
bought a `lectric sharpener that lives upstairs in the kids' playroom, and
they use that all the time now.

- Bill

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In answer to this question:

>>Anyone else have an pencil sharpener in the house? Where did you put
it? <<

Yes, we have had an adjustable diameter BOSTON brand sharpener for like 
40 years.  It's in the pantry closet right in the kitchen.  Which is 
where, come to think of it, it was in both my grandparents' houses.

One other tip is from time to time tighten those two screws on the 
outboard (non-handle) side of that sharpener.  It will make a big 
difference in your results.  And if they won't stay in place, consider 
green LOCTITE or a similar product.

Best wishes,

Matt Prusik
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <nicknaylo@a...>
To: <OldTools@r...>
Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: [OldTools] marking knives

>
> I keep a Schrade Old Timer in my pocket at all times, though it is 
> making modern life more difficult (I head into state buildings pretty 
> regularly) and the sheeps foot blade is my go to blade for sharpening 
> the kid's pencil at homework time. A dozen or so crappy plastic pencil 
> sharpeners have given up the ghost just since the beginning of third 
> grade, and the family cannot agree on the correct and proper location 
> in the house for the hand cranked Boston pencil sharpener. Don't know 
> what the GIT did with the aluminum Lee Valley belt clip sharpener I 
> gave her.
>
> Anyone else have an pencil sharpener in the house? Where did you put 
> it? For some reason when I was a kid the thing was hung in the 
> basement workshop/laundry room. Personally, the stairwell to the 
> basement calls to me as the perfect place to hang the old Boston,  and 
> said discussions start with scenarios involving hitting heads, 
> shoulders etc on it in the dark stairwell, other locations envision 
> similar household injuries and I give up and sharpen my penknife 
> again.
>
> Sigh......
>
> Michael-San Francisco, lamenting a democratic (small d) household. 
> Dexter #3 Sharpener in the shop, over the bench.
>
>
>
> [mailto:oldtools-bounces@r...] On Behalf Of scott
> grandstaff
> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2008 11:45 AM
> To: porch
> Subject: Re: [OldTools] marking knives
>
>
>> http://rhpwood.wordpress.com/2008/05/20/tools-marking-knives/
>
> Hey Bob
>  Nice knife.
>  If you get tired of trying to explain the blade shape in longer 
> words? Just
> tell 'em it's a sheepsfoot blade.
> I use a sheepsfoot roughly 1/2 the time in everything I do.
>
>   When you can raise up a handle high approaching verticle, a spear 
> point or
> diamond point is a good blade, but when you are dealing with a lower 
> handle
> angle than that to reach in, sheepsfoot does the trick.
>  If you have to go really low angle, hawksbill. Slight downward curve.
>
> They made up names for blade shapes roughly when they invented 
> language
> :-)
>   It's possible to come up with a new blade shape people haven't 
> thought of
> yet, but I never have.
>   Whatever I think up, that I think is new?  I can always go back and 
> look
> at the old charts and, sure enough, it's close enough to one of the
> established shapes to call it that, everytime.
> yours, Scott
>
>
> *******************************
>   Scott Grandstaff
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> OldTools is a mailing list catering to the interests of hand tool
> aficionados, both collectors and users, to discuss the history, usage,
> value, location, availability, collectibility, and restoration of
> traditional handtools, especially woodworking tools.
>
> To change your subscription options:
> http://ruckus.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools
>
> To read the FAQ:
> http://swingleydev.com/archive/faq.html
>
> OldTools archive: http://swingleydev.com/archive/
>
> OldTools@r...
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> 

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Jim,
 nice one(s),....
roy
 
 

> 
> From: James Thompson <jdthompsonca@s...>
> Date: 2008/06/11 Wed PM 09:32:13 CDT
> To: OldTools Tools <oldtools@r...>
> Subject: [OldTools] Marking knives
> 
> I forgot to mention to the list that I did a small tutorial for Wiktor  
> about making marking knives. Something a little different.
> 
> http://www.wkFineTools.com/contrib/jThompson/howTo/dovMKnives/dovMKnives.asp
> 
> 
> The Oldmillrat in Riverside CA
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> aficionados, both collectors and users, to discuss the history, usage,
> value, location, availability, collectibility, and restoration of
> traditional handtools, especially woodworking tools.
> 
> To change your subscription options:
> http://ruckus.law.cornell.edu/mailman/listinfo/oldtools
> 
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> 
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> 
> OldTools@r...
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> 

Roy Griggs
roygriggs@w...
www.shavingsandsawdust.com

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The Oldmillrat casually drops this jewel on us:

I forgot to mention to the list that I did a small tutorial for Wiktor
about making marking knives. Something a little different.

http://www.wkFineTools.com/contrib/jThompson/howTo/dovMKnives/dovMKnives
.asp

Jim:
  Not only do I see fine craftsmanship in the knives, but also in the
succinct write-up.
Enviously,
Charlie Rodgers
Clinton, Maryland
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