Hey, all:

Coupla years back, my dad gave me a small pocketknife that had been in among
his father's stuff after he (my grandfather) passed away. Dad had never seen
the knife before, and I'd put it aside until I came across it again
recently. 

About 3 inches long, pearl handles, single two-inch blade, screwdriver,
bottle opener. One side says Nilsen Detective Agency, Elizabeth, New Jersey.
Base of blade says LIPIC / USA.

In addition to concocting wild theories to explain why my rather
straight-laced grandfather had a promotional knife from a detective agency,
I'm looking for more info on LIPIC knives. Anybody have anything? Thanks!

Greg Isola
Alameda, CA
who hasn't carried a pocketknife in years, but who might just start again

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At 12:01 PM 9/14/05, Gregory Isola wrote:

>In addition to concocting wild theories to explain why my rather
>straight-laced grandfather had a promotional knife from a detective agency,
>I'm looking for more info on LIPIC knives. Anybody have anything? Thanks!

LIPIC USA was a trademark of the Camillus Cutlery Company used 
between 1927 and 1940.

Tony ( who da only reason he knows that is 'cause he dug out the 
Goin's Encyclopedia of Cutlery Marks trying to date a mark on an 
early butcher knife.  Anyone heard of a Hartzell Cutlery out of 
Gettysburg PA?  No one else in the world seem to have!)

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All

A few years ago I was taking a Physics class here in Massachusetts.  The 
teacher needed to cut something during a lab.  He said does anybody have a 
knife.  Out of a class of 35 only me and one other guy offered him a knife.  
I'm originally from West Virginia and the other knife carrier was from 
Virginia.  The teacher, who knew our state of origin, says it figures the 
two hillbillies would have knives.

Speaking of knifes I bought the sharpening guide and book from Razor Edge 
Systems (see http://www.razoredgesystems.com/).  It works very well.

Joe West

>From: Gregory Isola <gregoryi@u...>
>Reply-To: Gregory Isola <gregoryi@u...>
>To: "oldtools" <oldtools@c...>
>Subject: [oldtools] Lipic pocketknife?
>Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 09:01:19 -0700
>
>Hey, all:
>
>Coupla years back, my dad gave me a small pocketknife that had been in 
>among
>his father's stuff after he (my grandfather) passed away. Dad had never 
>seen
>the knife before, and I'd put it aside until I came across it again
>recently.
>
>About 3 inches long, pearl handles, single two-inch blade, screwdriver,
>bottle opener. One side says Nilsen Detective Agency, Elizabeth, New 
>Jersey.
>Base of blade says LIPIC / USA.
>
>In addition to concocting wild theories to explain why my rather
>straight-laced grandfather had a promotional knife from a detective agency,
>I'm looking for more info on LIPIC knives. Anybody have anything? Thanks!
>
>Greg Isola
>Alameda, CA
>who hasn't carried a pocketknife in years, but who might just start again
>
>
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Well I was born in Delaware and I carry a pocketknife. So did my Father and
he worked for E.I. Dupont & Company, which does not hire "hillbillies" even
though he was born in Tennessee.

Bill Fariss
Sterling, Va

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All

A few years ago I was taking a Physics class here in Massachusetts.  The
teacher needed to cut something during a lab.  He said does anybody have a
knife.  Out of a class of 35 only me and one other guy offered him a knife.
I'm originally from West Virginia and the other knife carrier was from
Virginia.  The teacher, who knew our state of origin, says it figures the
two hillbillies would have knives.

Speaking of knifes I bought the sharpening guide and book from Razor Edge
Systems (see http://www.razoredgesystems.com/).  It works very well.

Joe West

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> 
> Speaking of knifes I bought the sharpening guide and book 
> from Razor Edge Systems (see 
> http://www.razoredgesystems.com/).  It works very well.
> 
> Joe West

And it looks like the large guide is on sale right now. Get that
and do up your kitchen knives on your Shapton stones, and you've
got an edge to die for. Ummm, maybe that wasn't the best comparison. B^)

Jim Foster
Minnesota (Anyone else going to Beau's alley sale tomorrow? Not that I'm
encouraging it. Not usually much there, after all. Weather will probably
be
bad.  Certainly no reason to come at opening time - just mosey on in 
some time after 11:00  .... ) 

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Add me to the gang that's never without a pocketknife.

Before I walk out the door in the morning, there's always a quick "pocket
check": lessee - keys, yup; wallet, yup; knife, yup; cell phone, yup.

I think I pretty much haven't been without some kind of knife in my pocket
since about the age of 12 - which means 27 years now.  I've got a drawer
full at this point.  Still have a very nice Schrade Uncle Henry that I
received in a Galoot X-mas exchange a few years back, with a book on
whittling.  Gotta admit that I haven't taken to carrying it because I want
to keep it pristine!  ;-)

-----------------------------------------
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-----------------------------------------

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> From: Bill Fariss [mailto:wfariss@y...] 
> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 12:29 PM
> To: oldtools
> Subject: RE: [oldtools] Lipic pocketknife?
> 
> 
> Well I was born in Delaware and I carry a pocketknife. So did 
> my Father and he worked for E.I. Dupont & Company, which does 
> not hire "hillbillies" even though he was born in Tennessee.
> 
> 
> Bill Fariss
> Sterling, Va
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joe West [mailto:joewest64@h...]
> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 12:15 PM
> To: oldtools
> Subject: RE: [oldtools] Lipic pocketknife?
> 
> All
> 
> A few years ago I was taking a Physics class here in 
> Massachusetts.  The teacher needed to cut something during a 
> lab.  He said does anybody have a knife.  Out of a class of 
> 35 only me and one other guy offered him a knife. I'm 
> originally from West Virginia and the other knife carrier was 
> from Virginia.  The teacher, who knew our state of origin, 
> says it figures the two hillbillies would have knives.
> 
> Speaking of knifes I bought the sharpening guide and book 
> from Razor Edge Systems (see 
> http://www.razoredgesystems.com/).  > It works very well.
> 
> Joe 
> West
> 
> 
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Joe West wrote:

>Speaking of knifes I bought the 
>sharpening guide and book from 
>Razor Edge Systems (see 

http://www.razoredgesystems.com/ 

>It works very well.<

I've known that book for years, have it on my list for
sharpening classes, and enjoy it a lot. A lot to think
about in it, and some good advice. He has some good
stories, like his talking about going into meat
packing plants and setting up sharpening rooms where
all the butchers were required to send their knives
for sharpening. Turned out this upset the social
heirarchies in place, which had been based on
butchering skill which in turn had been based on
sharpening ability. But I ended up feeling that his
standards of sharpness were probably a bit low; I
wouldn't want to have to do a lot of leather paring
with a knife he sharpened, and I doubt he could really
get the most out of a plane blade. Of course, the
stunt of shaving off his beard with a double-bitted
axe is just a stunt: I shaved with a pocketknife for
years and never made a fuss about it, and that was
when my finest stone was a soft arkansas and I din't
really know anything about sharpening or sharp edges.

Tom Conroy
who has worn a thin, scraggly, brittly pretense at a
beard for going on twenty five years now. Shaving?
What would it have to do with how I used to shave?

		
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On Sep 16, 2005, at 9:15 AM, Joe West wrote:

> A few years ago I was taking a Physics class here in Massachusetts.  
> The teacher needed to cut something during a lab.  He said does 
> anybody have a knife.  Out of a class of 35 only me and one other guy 
> offered him a knife.  I'm originally from West Virginia and the other 
> knife carrier was from Virginia.  The teacher, who knew our state of 
> origin, says it figures the two hillbillies would have knives.

Maybe so, but I simply cannot be without my pocket knife, and I am only 
a recycled Okie.

I use it many times a day for many reasons. And I keep a few spares in 
the closet,  just in case I lose one, which happens every few years.

Carbon steel blades, of course.

Jim Thompson, the old millrat in Riverside, CA.

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Watch out, Counselor, trying to take a knife into a courtroom!  DAMHIKT.

Cheers,
Croxton

On Virginia's Eastern Shore

Bill Taggart, Esquire, wrote
> 
> Add me to the gang that's never without a pocketknife.
> 
> Before I walk out the door in the morning, there's always a quick "pocket
> check": lessee - keys, yup; wallet, yup; knife, yup; cell phone, yup.
 

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Or forgetting that there is a small one attached to your work keys as
you are about to enter an airport concourse.....Awhile back, was
standing there in line, reached into my pocket, and yep!  Pulled it out,
looked at it took it off the keychain, looked over and an inspector was
looking at me, laughing.  Looked around and there was a guy there
helping his elderly father to the security checkpoint, "Do you want a
knife?", handed it to him (he was not going past security), gave me a
really funny look, "Well, either you take it or he (pointing to the TSA
fellow) does!"  The TSA guy nodded his head, so the guy got a knife for
not going through security.  The inspector and I had a good laugh...

Gary

 >Watch out, Counselor, trying to take a knife into a 
 >courtroom!  DAMHIKT.

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I'm even worse. I've got to have 2 pocketknives at all times!  Hey, I 
was an Okie to start with and graduated to hillbilly at the ends of the 
earth! 
 The current carry is a newish German, maybe Bulldog, carbon steel. (I'm 
a carbon fan too)  A heavy 2 blade jack (not a long knife, just a heavy 
one with real bone handles) with a spear point main blade. I like a 
spear, those long pointy clip points are too frail for my liking.  I 
keep about 10 or 20 backups in the drawer. Well, maybe 40, but not as 
many as you, Jack!   heh heh
   The second, and this is funny, I was just talking to Richard about 
this yesterday.........
http://wdynamic.com/galoots/4images/details.php?image_id=2206
Here's a part of the note
  This little pocketknife in the pic has been my constant companion for 
over 30 years and more now. It could have used a quick buff up for the 
pic, but it's early morning. It's been dropped into a tank of caustic 
sludge and fished back out that was so thick and I had to wade in and 
find it with my toes, dropped several times into other watery tanks and 
pits and fished back out with magnets and innumerable other indignities.
 It's been apart many times for repairs and custom grinding/fitting.
The spring was replaced once and refitted more than once for the perfect 
snap and straight presentation of the blades when open. The handles have 
been replaced twice. It has local blacktail antler on it now that were 
deeply jigged all over (the little random divots you usually see on a 
bone handled knife) dyed greenbone and is now pocketworn back to nearly 
smooth. About 15 years minimum to wear this much. 
 The long blade is ground thin as a whisper and I actually pick my teeth 
with it. It's kept fairly dull for this. The small blade is kept 
sharpened with a thin needle point for splinter picking.  This 
"toothpick" lives in the "other" front pocket of my pants every day of 
my life. I've bought 6 or 7 others of a similar pattern in case I lose 
it, and I'm always worried I will, but so far it's always come back home.
  yours, Scott
    
 

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GG,
 I mentioned earlier that a Schrade oldtimer is my current pocketknife,
for 27 yrs. now. Same knife, it's been tightened up a few times but still
has it's original handles and all it's blades (whats not been sharpened
away). Before that it was a Case that my father gave me when I had to
clean my first rabbit that I'd shot. I think I was 8 (1957) and as I
remember not much good at skinning rabbits. I carried that knife until
1982 or 1983, it even did a tour in 'Nam. Then lost it while installing
carpet one nite at a friends. Put the schrade in my pocket next day and
it's still there. Heck, even SWMBO has a pocketknife in her purse...
 And we aren't even considering how long I carried a lockback in a sheath
on my belt. Still have a drawer full of both plus a few divers knives,
hunting knives, etc., etc...lets just say I like sharp objects.
roy

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Jim Foster wrote

> Minnesota (Anyone else going to Beau's alley sale tomorrow? Not that I'm
> encouraging it. Not usually much there, after all. Weather will probably  be
> bad.  Certainly no reason to come at opening time - just mosey on in 
> some time after 11:00  .... ) 

I plan to be there by 10 AM.

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GG,

I have been making Stag handle (Elk horn) knives lately, and I must say
that it is a lot of fun.  The oldtool skills mesh really good with knife
and sheath making.  I find old quality knife blades at thrift stores and
refurbish them, ending up with a great one of a kind knife.  

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Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 3:42 PM
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Subject: Re:[oldtools] Lipic pocketknife?

GG,
 I mentioned earlier that a Schrade oldtimer is my current pocketknife,
for 27 yrs. now. Same knife, it's been tightened up a few times but
still
has it's original handles and all it's blades (whats not been sharpened
away). Before that it was a Case that my father gave me when I had to
clean my first rabbit that I'd shot. I think I was 8 (1957) and as I
remember not much good at skinning rabbits. I carried that knife until
1982 or 1983, it even did a tour in 'Nam. Then lost it while installing
carpet one nite at a friends. Put the schrade in my pocket next day and
it's still there. Heck, even SWMBO has a pocketknife in her purse...
 And we aren't even considering how long I carried a lockback in a
sheath
on my belt. Still have a drawer full of both plus a few divers knives,
hunting knives, etc., etc...lets just say I like sharp objects.
roy

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Roy Griggs wrote.

 I mentioned earlier that a Schrade oldtimer is my current pocketknife,
for 27 yrs. now. Same knife, it's been tightened up a few times but 
still
has it's original handles and all it's blades (whats not been sharpened
away).

I've been carrying a the same knife, another Schrade old timer for a 
few years now, Got the original from my dad when I was a kid, lost it. 
About half a decade ago I discovered you really can find all your old 
stuff on *bay and replaced it with a nicely patina'd one, which I 
misplace (not lose) about once a year. and I have a slightly shinier 
backup of the same knife, but the spring holds the sheeps foot blade a 
bit higher out of the case when closed than the *original* knife, so I 
can always tell when I'm carrying the replacement's replacement.

Most common usage, slitting open that shrinkwrap around a 10 pack of 
juiceboxes when making the GIT's lunch in the morning.

Michael-San Francisco

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>Watch out, Counselor, trying to take a knife 
>into a courtroom!  DAMHIKT.<

A couple of years ago I went down to the county
courthouse to pay my house taxes. I have learned to
clear my pockets before I do this, not just of knives
but of anything knife-like---  bone folders, folding
rules, etc. This time, though, I forgot that I hadn't
completely cleared my knapsack since the leather
binding workshop the weekend before. "What's that?"
asked the nice lady on the x-ray machine. Remembering
the workshop, I remembered the band nippers I had
taken to it. Band nippers are something like wide
smooth-jawed pliers, rather puzzling if you don't know
what they are and are looking at a skewed profile, not
immediately bomblike but who can say what is bomblike?
"Oh, that's a binding tool" I said blithely, and stuck
my hand in the knapsack to pull the nippers out and
show them--- and my fingers touched the sheath of a
leather knife I had also forgotten about. Think a
1-1/4" skew chisel (bench, not turning), 10" long and
sharper than a razor. In a voice of complete, naive
surprise I said "Oh, there's a knife in here." 

Then my survival instincts kicked in, far too late,
and I stood very still indeed. In a minute the guard
relaxed a shade and I very, very gently took my empty
hand out of the bag. I can't praise him too highly. He
didn't shoot me. He didn't even draw his gun. I figure
it was the complete naivete of my voice that saved my
life. Only a complete clueless doofus could have done
and said what I did, and it was clear that I was no
threat except to myself.

We talked a bit, and it turned out there was a dropbox
for taxes outside the barrier. I couldn't get the
receipt I wanted, but you can't always get what you
want. Not when you have a knife in your bag and came
by public transit (no car to leave the bag in, the
guard's suggestion).

Oldtool content? All those things I didn't have in my
pocket because I knew I would be going through the
security barrier. I keep a lot of my working tools in
my pockets all day because I might use them at work or
at home. And, of course, the paring knife. Did I say
it was 10" long? And sharper than a razor?

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Pictures! I wanna see pictures!

I have thought of doing this very thing, but I would like to see what  
others have done before I start.

On Sep 16, 2005, at 1:51 PM, Peterson, Samuel L. wrote:

> GG,
>
> I have been making Stag handle (Elk horn) knives lately, and I must say
> that it is a lot of fun.  The oldtool skills mesh really good with  
> knife
> and sheath making.  I find old quality knife blades at thrift stores  
> and
> refurbish them, ending up with a great one of a kind knife.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: roygriggs@v... [mailto:roygriggs@v...]
> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 3:42 PM
> To: oldtools
> Subject: Re:[oldtools] Lipic pocketknife?
>
> GG,
>  I mentioned earlier that a Schrade oldtimer is my current pocketknife,
> for 27 yrs. now. Same knife, it's been tightened up a few times but
> still
> has it's original handles and all it's blades (whats not been sharpened
> away). Before that it was a Case that my father gave me when I had to
> clean my first rabbit that I'd shot. I think I was 8 (1957) and as I
> remember not much good at skinning rabbits. I carried that knife until
> 1982 or 1983, it even did a tour in 'Nam. Then lost it while installing
> carpet one nite at a friends. Put the schrade in my pocket next day and
> it's still there. Heck, even SWMBO has a pocketknife in her purse...
>  And we aren't even considering how long I carried a lockback in a
> sheath
> on my belt. Still have a drawer full of both plus a few divers knives,
> hunting knives, etc., etc...lets just say I like sharp objects.
> roy
>
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Joe West wrote:

> All
>
> A few years ago I was taking a Physics class here in Massachusetts.  
> The teacher needed to cut something during a lab.  He said does 
> anybody have a knife.  Out of a class of 35 only me and one other guy 
> offered him a knife.

I know one knife I definitely wont  be carrying in my pocket.
Found an old pocket knife at a swap meet last weekend, the blade was 
engraved.........
"BEST CASTRATOR".

Enough said!

Peter B, Oz

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On Sep 16, 2005, at 8:19 PM, Peter B wrote:

> Joe West wrote:
>>
>> A few years ago I was taking a Physics class here in Massachusetts.  
>> The teacher needed to cut something during a lab.  He said does 
>> anybody have a knife.  Out of a class of 35 only me and one other guy 
>> offered him a knife.
>
> I know one knife I definitely wont  be carrying in my pocket.
> Found an old pocket knife at a swap meet last weekend, the blade was 
> engraved.........
>

I have noticed that most "Stockman's" style knives have a blade that is 
called a "spay" blade. I have always assumed that that meant castrating 
blade, because cattle are never spayed. Only the males are neutered.

  Right or wrong???

Jim Thompson, the old millrat in Riverside, CA.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Thompson" <jdthompsonca@s...>
>
> I have noticed that most "Stockman's" style knives have a blade that 
> is called a "spay" blade. I have always assumed that that meant 
> castrating blade, because cattle are never spayed. Only the males are 
> neutered.
>
>  Right or wrong???

Correct.

Frank Sronce (Fort Worth Armadillo Works)

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Worse yet, try a concealed handgun...

;-)

-----------------------------------------
Bill Taggart
-----------------------------------------

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Croxton Gordon [mailto:lawyer@e...] 
> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 3:16 PM
> To: Bill Taggart; oldtools
> Subject: RE: [oldtools] Lipic pocketknife?
> 
> 
> Watch out, Counselor, trying to take a knife into a 
> courtroom!  DAMHIKT.
> 
> Cheers,
> Croxton
> 
> On Virginia's Eastern Shore
> 
> Bill Taggart, Esquire, wrote
> > 
> > Add me to the gang that's never without a pocketknife.
> > 
> > Before I walk out the door in the morning, there's always a quick 
> > "pocket
> > check": lessee - keys, yup; wallet, yup; knife, yup; cell 
> phone, yup.
>  
> 

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At 07:30 AM 9/17/2005, Jim wrote:

><snip>

>I have noticed that most "Stockman's" style knives have a blade that is
>called a "spay" blade. I have always assumed that that meant castrating
>blade, because cattle are never spayed. Only the males are neutered.
>
>  Right or wrong???

They actually do spay heifers, (female cattle under 1 yr old)
occasionally. I used to work for a rancher and he would have 300 or more
spayed every year. The feedlots sometimes pay a slight premium as it is
pretty easy to guarantee them open (not pregnant). They supposedly gain
slightly faster. Pregnant ones in the pens are a pain to manage so they
try to separate them otherwise the baby's get trampled and the mothers
don't gain weight etc. Probably more than you wanted to know. Also I
always use a clip blade. My knife of choice is a Improved muskrat style.

jk

Joe & Johanna Kern Meadow Brook Stock Farm 316 N. Stillwater Rd.
Absarokee, MT 59001

Http://www.meadowbrookstockfarm.com

Phone (406)328 4431 Cell * (406)670 9518 *
         (406)698 4431

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A question just came to mind. I know how bulls are castrated, having 
participated in that activity a few times in my youth. You throw them, 
tie them, and use a knife, or nowadays a castrating rubber band.  But I 
have never actually seen a heifer spayed.

I assume the process is the same? Spaying involves opening the abdomen, 
and large animals are usually worked on without anesthetic, so do you 
just throw, tie, and then have at it with a knife? Do they receive 
sutures afterward?

Enquiring minds want to know.

On Sep 18, 2005, at 9:45 PM, Joe & Johanna Kern wrote:

> At 07:30 AM 9/17/2005, Jim wrote:
>
>> <snip>
>
>
>
>> I have noticed that most "Stockman's" style knives have a blade that 
>> is called a "spay" blade. I have always assumed that that meant 
>> castrating blade, because cattle are never spayed. Only the males are 
>> neutered.
>>
>>  Right or wrong???
>
> They actually do spay heifers, (female cattle under 1 yr old) 
> occasionally.   I used to work for a rancher and he would have 300 or 
> more
> spayed every year.  The feedlots sometimes pay a slight premium as it 
> is pretty easy to guarantee them open (not pregnant).  They supposedly 
> gain slightly faster. Pregnant ones in the pens are a pain to manage 
> so they try to separate them otherwise the baby's get trampled and the 
> mothers don't gain weight etc.
> Probably more than you wanted to know.
>
Jim Thompson, the old millrat in Riverside, CA.

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GG,
 Growing up as the grandson of a true cowboy I experienced the annual
de-nutting and de-horning of calves several times. The implement that we
used was a razor sharp flooring knife(short hook blade for cutting roll
flooring). It was nasty but nescessary work and I enjoyed spending the
day on horseback and being with my grandfather. It was always an all day
affair because we never rounded up the cattle, just rode around and
gramps' would rope and tie the calves where ever we found them. He said
it was good practice because he did calf-roping as a hobby.
roy

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Hi, Joe and others
	I'm no hillbilly --- born and raised in Massachusetts and never
without a pocket knife since I was 11 years old (except on airlines).
		Trevor
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