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| 147752 | Keith Mealy <byhammerandhand@y.. | Jul-20-2005 | Re: Gerstner Chest |
While I agree with most of the post (snipped away), the following paragraph contains some wrong advice, with all due respect. 1) "Finish restorers" often contain many of the solvents used in lacquer thinner, which itself is a soup of thinners and solvents in proprietary proportions. The MSDS will tell you rough ratios. They usually only work on lacquer and shellac finishes, as the label will indicate. These are evaporative finishes and thus resoluble in their solvents. They work by re-amalgamating the finish, allowing you to remove the top layer of soil and dirt, and leaving behind a bit of the original finish, without the cracking and other accumulated problems. 2) Mineral spirits is _not_ a solvent for varnish. It's a carrier (or thinner). Once varnish is cured, it is not resoluble in its carrier. It's undergone a chemical change (polymerization / oxidation). Oil finishes work the same way when cured (cf. dried). 3) Soiling is of two types (see my prior post on this subject) a) Those soluble in water, a polar solvent. This includes general dirt, food, body oils, etc. Often other chemicals, such as alkalines, surfactants, emulsifiers, and acids are added to assist the cleaning chemistry. In my experiece, this is the vast majority of soiling on wood. b) Those soluble in hydrocarbons, non-polar solvents. This includes petroleum products (grease, oil, wax), inks, and some paints. These cleaners are typically called POG (Paint, oil, grease) cleaners. Mineral spirits and naphtha are two most common examples. D-limonene (citrus rind oil) is another. 4) Chronic exposure to chemicals, particularly acids in body oils, can chemically change a finish over time. Finishes can become gooey and soft and are no longer protecting the wood. An agressive cleaning can remove the goo. I always tell people at that point, I'm not removing finish, I'm removing the goo, the finish is no more. Here is a site that explains some of the test procedures for "which finish" is this: http://www.johnjacobmickley.net/Shop%20Pages/Tips%20&%- 20Info/Finishing/What%20Finish.htm > From: Gary Roberts <groberts@l...> > > -- snip snip snip > > Same for finish restorers, which are often a simple mix of mineral > spirits and one or another severely thinned varnishes. Their thrust is > to slightly dissolve what finish there is and add a new layer of > thinned film. > > What to do? What to do? > > Since we are talking about a family heirloom here, I would suggest the > conservative approach. Spot test a seldom seen area with a cotton swab > and mineral spirits, then alchohol. You're testing to see if the > finish is shellac (alcohol) or a varnish (mineral spirits). Each > solvent dissolves it's attendant finish. Once you know which is which, > select the opposite solvent and gently clean the surface with a damp > clean cotton rag. By this I mean use alcohol for varnish and mineral > spirits for shellac. > ____________________________________________________ Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ______________________________________________________________ | |||
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