Who were Thom. Ibbotson, and someone named Ward, both makers of heavy
mortising chisels. Probably 1930s vintage? Sheffield, England.

What is their standing in the hierarchy of toolmakers?

Gary Curtis

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Hi Gary,

>From Goodman's:
Thomas Ibbotson (& Co) was at Liverpool
122 Whitechapel in Liverpool 1841-1849, 
36 (38) Whitechapel 1859-1900
Edge-tool makers.

Thomas Ibbotson & Co was at Sheffield
Charles St. 1823
20 Paternoster Row 1825-1909
Edge-tool maker. 1825. Edge and joiners' tool maker 1828. Then added
dealer in cutlery 1833. In 1905 the firm was taken over by Wm. Marples & So 
ns,
but Marples continued to advertise tools with the Ibbotson name and tradema 
rk.

Ward, James (& Son)
27 Old Kent Rd.  London
Ironmongers  1885-1895  (that's it)

Cheers,
Jack in Endwell, NY

On 5/5/05, Gary Curtis  wrote:
> Who were Thom. Ibbotson, and someone named Ward, both makers of heavy
> mortising chisels. Probably 1930s vintage? Sheffield, England.
> 
> What is their standing in the hierarchy of toolmakers?

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>David Ward was in business from1824 to1859.  He formed a partnership
>with Payne in 1860 and the firm became Ward and Payne.  They were
>in business from 1860 until sometime in the late 1960's.   Along the way
> they acquired the Addis company.   If the chisel you have only has "Ward"
> stamped on it it was probably made prior to 1860.   It will probably also
>have "cast steel" stamped on it somewhere.

Well I have seen a number of pieces by them that were stamped Ward with the
trademark and W & P either flanking it or underneath it.  Ain't got nothing
here right now to do the laying of the hands one but if I get a few minutes
tomorrow I'll hit a few pics

Tony

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Hi Jack:
  You're forgetting Jay Ward, with the Moose and Squirrel logo, ca.
1955-1970---seriously though, Ward tools (particularly irons) seem to
be very common---they must have been pretty busy for those ten
years...
                best; gAM in Seattle
                 
--- Jack Kamishlian  wrote:
> Hi Gary,
> 
> From Goodman's:
> Thomas Ibbotson (& Co) was at Liverpool
> 122 Whitechapel in Liverpool 1841-1849, 
> 36 (38) Whitechapel 1859-1900
> Edge-tool makers.
> 
> Thomas Ibbotson & Co was at Sheffield
> Charles St. 1823
> 20 Paternoster Row 1825-1909
> Edge-tool maker. 1825. Edge and joiners' tool maker 1828. Then
> added
> dealer in cutlery 1833. In 1905 the firm was taken over by Wm.
> Marples & Sons,
> but Marples continued to advertise tools with the Ibbotson name and
> trademark.
> 
> Ward, James (& Son)
> 27 Old Kent Rd.  London
> Ironmongers  1885-1895  (that's it)
> 
> Cheers,
> Jack in Endwell, NY
> 
> 
> On 5/5/05, Gary Curtis  wrote:
> > Who were Thom. Ibbotson, and someone named Ward, both makers of
> heavy
> > mortising chisels. Probably 1930s vintage? Sheffield, England.
> > 
> > What is their standing in the hierarchy of toolmakers?
> 
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David Ward was in business from1824 to1859. He formed a partnership with
Payne in 1860 and the firm became Ward and Payne. They were in business
from 1860 until sometime in the late 1960's. Along the way they acquired
the Addis company. If the chisel you have only has "Ward" stamped on it
it was probably made prior to 1860. It will probably also have "cast
steel" stamped on it somewhere.

I have sold or am selling all my non-Ward chisels. I find the Wards hold
an edge better then the other English chisels I have used.

Regards. Dave Nelson.
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