I was curious about the relationships between Grandpa Furdeus and Thomsa 
Phillipson after comparing the similarities between the planes. After a 
bit of investigation, herewith are my discoveries...

Granfurdeus Begats

Yeah and did Thomas Granford take unto his trade Robert Wooding in 
1699.  Wooding did marry Elizabeth in 1708. Fortune refused to shine 
upon his house and poore Elizabeth died in 1710. Wooding, ever the bon 
vivant, did take unto his marriage  bed Ann Gibbons, now Ann Wooding, in 
the year 1713 (this being the year in which he did take Thomas 
Granford's business of the Shoppe of the Three Planes, locke stocke and 
barrele). Robert ate a bad sausage (sic) and passed away in 1728. In 
that year, 1728 did Ann Wooding take unto her self an apprentice, Thomas 
Phillipson. Following this did she take James Clark and Robert Fitkin as 
apprentices too. Yeah and Ann Wooding was a lusty mistress!

Thomas Phillipson took unto himself nine apprentices between 1740 and 
1759. Verily only four are known to have been planemakers. Thomas must 
have been a difficult and demanding master! So did he put forth unto the 
Planemaking World Edward Hill (1754), John Green (1756), John Day (1759) 
and J. A. Wealthdale (1744). As did his wife, Susannah. Oh! Susannah! 
did take five apprentices of her own of which naught is known. Verily 
did the mistresses of planedom go through many an apprentice.

John Green, once attaining his fullness, made planes under many Naymes 
and of many Playces... John Green of London and John Green of London, 
John Green of York, John Green again of York. Then did John Green, no 
not that John Green, the other John Green, did take as to an apprentice 
Richard Bywater (1799), John Burton (1794) and Joseph Watson (who knows 
whence he came).

Upon the Death of John Green (no not that John Green, The John Green), 
did William Ferrand, known as John Green the former's Cousin and Robert 
Wilkinson, who had worked for John Green the later did purchase at a 
reasonable price the holdings of John Green. It doesn't matter which 
John Green. Just be assured that it was one of the John Green's. In the 
true fashion of Honesty in Business did Ferrand and Wilkinson make and 
issue planes bearing the stamp of John Green, tho he be long mouldering 
in his grave.

Of note is Thomas Phillipsons introduction of the Phillipson Pattern 
chamfer termination, so unlike that of his predecessors. His chamfers 
did stop abrubtly without the grace of the single or double gouge 
reliefe of those who came before him. Howsoever this labour saving 
fashion did catch on with his apprentices and Yeah even with 
compatriots, many of whom adopted said termination in their vain efforts 
to earn gold from the shirt tails of he who traced his lineage to 
Granfurdeus.

Thus ends the Begats of Granfurdeus.

Until then
Gary

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InterLibrary Loan Assistant
MIT Lincoln Laboratory Library, S1-700
244 Wood Street
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email: groberts@l...
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<major snippage>
Thus ends the Begats of Granfurdeus.
<snip>

I have to nominate this for post of the month. My office-mates are looking
at me funny because I'm making weird noises, wiping my eyes and picking
myself up off the floor...

Rob in Peoria
1960 Anniversary Shopsmith Mk V Brownie
www.geocities.com/momentsoffaith2004

Wood shavings on the floor! Wood shavings on the floor!

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Gary wrote and I woefully snip as per the FAQ

>Following this did she take James Clark and Robert Fitkin as 
>apprentices too. Yeah and Ann Wooding was a lusty mistress!

and

> Verily did the mistresses of planedom go through many an apprentice.
>

Great tail, magnificently presented. If I might be so bold as to add that the 
advancements made by the mistress Ann and her apprentices are so often 
overlooked. It is to her that we must attribute that the nickers can now be 
completely removed. And of course her stewardship, brought about the 
introduction and production of the large jointer plane into the Granford line. 
This has not been documented and no known examples bear this makers mark, but 
it was well known at the time that the mistress Ann was amenable to the large 
woodie

Ducking and hiding...............

Regards
Jonathan

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Roberts [mailto:groberts@l...]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 9:13 AM
> To: oldtools
> Subject: [oldtools] Granfurdeus Begats
> 
> 
> I was curious about the relationships between Grandpa Furdeus and Thomsa 
> Phillipson after comparing the similarities between the planes. After a 
> bit of investigation, herewith are my discoveries.

<snip>

Whoa, Gary!  Definitely too much Terry Prachett!

Jim Cook
Newton, MA

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At 06:42 AM 3/9/2005, Jonathan Peck wrote:
>This has not been documented and no known examples bear this makers mark, but
>it was well known at the time that the mistress Ann was amenable to the large
>woodie.

Perhaps this is off topic. After all, Ann liked _new_ tools, eh?
         -Chris in sunny Fairbanks, where the snow is beginning to melt and 
the deck is ripe for gin-and-tonics.

-- 
"To use bad English is regrettable, to use bad Scotch is unforgivable."
Chris Hartman, Dept. of Math. Sciences, University of Alaska Fairbanks

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Snicker, Snort, Guffaw.=0D
My sides, my sides, they are splitting!=0D
 =0D
>Following this did she take James Clark and Robert Fitkin as =0D
>apprentices too. Yeah and Ann Wooding was a lusty mistress!=0D
> Verily did the mistresses of planedom go through many an apprentice.=0D
>but it was well known at the time that the mistress Ann was amenable to  
the
large =0D
woodie >=0D
 =0D
In her endeavors to extract quality product, methinks she quickly =0D
cast aside those that too soon became knotty.=0D
 =0D
Peter in Perth=0D
 =0D
 =0D
 

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Gary Roberts wrote:

> Of note is Thomas Phillipsons introduction of the Phillipson Pattern 
> chamfer termination, so unlike that of his predecessors. His chamfers 
> did stop abrubtly without the grace of the single or double gouge 
> reliefe of those who came before him. Howsoever this labour saving 
> fashion did catch on with his apprentices and Yeah even with 
> compatriots, many of whom adopted said termination in their vain 
> efforts to earn gold from the shirt tails of he who traced his lineage 
> to Granfurdeus.
>

anybody know what this chamfer termination looked like?  What about the 
ones that it replaced.  I will shortly be putting chanfers on porch 
columns and would like something historic.

Ed Minch

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>Gary Roberts wrote:
>
>>Of note is Thomas Phillipsons introduction of the Phillipson 
>>Pattern chamfer termination, so unlike that of his predecessors. 
>>His chamfers did stop abrubtly without the grace of the single or 
>>double gouge reliefe of those who came before him. Howsoever this 
>>labour saving fashion did catch on with his apprentices and Yeah 
>>even with compatriots, many of whom adopted said termination in 
>>their vain efforts to earn gold from the shirt tails of he who 
>>traced his lineage to Granfurdeus.
>>
>
>anybody know what this chamfer termination looked like?  What about 
>the ones that it replaced.  I will shortly be putting chanfers on 
>porch columns and would like something historic.
>
>Ed Minch
>

Grandfurdeus, now known in all likelyhood to be Fran Purdeus (Frank 
Purdue latinized) used a graceful gouge cut to stop his chamfers. 
Phillipson, instead of the gouge cut, stopped the chamfer with a 90 
degree ledge cut.  It's certainly not as graceful as a single or 
double gouge cut, but it must have been faster to complete and 
required less skill. At least that's my guess.

Gary
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Gary Roberts <groberts76@c...>
Dedham, MA...Antique tools, Old Books, Art Pottery, Hong Kong cinema, 
what else is there?

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Hello Gary, et al., 

	Greatly enjoyed your posting, Gary. Very complete, except I
think you forgot John Greene. :) One thing did strike me as I romped
through though, and that was that Wooding's second wife was Ann Gibbons.
It made me wonder if she might have been related to Grinling Gibbons.
The time would be about right. Gibbons worked in England from 1670
(1671?) until his death in 1720. He and his wife, Elizabeth, had 12
children, the first born in 1678. Can anyone make this connection? 

John Quinn
Santa Rosa

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Wooding, ever the bon 
vivant, did take unto his marriage  bed Ann Gibbons, now Ann Wooding, in

the year 1713 (this being the year in which he did take Thomas 
Granford's business of the Shoppe of the Three Planes, locke stocke and 
barrele). Robert ate a bad sausage (sic) and passed away in 1728. 

John Green, once attaining his fullness, made planes under many Naymes 
and of many Playces... John Green of London and John Green of London, 
John Green of York, John Green again of York. Then did John Green, no 
not that John Green, the other John Green, did take as to an apprentice 
Richard Bywater (1799), John Burton (1794) and Joseph Watson (who knows 
whence he came).

Upon the Death of John Green (no not that John Green, The John Green), 
did William Ferrand, known as John Green the former's Cousin and Robert 
Wilkinson, who had worked for John Green the later did purchase at a 
reasonable price the holdings of John Green. It doesn't matter which 
John Green. Just be assured that it was one of the John Green's. In the 
true fashion of Honesty in Business did Ferrand and Wilkinson make and 
issue planes bearing the stamp of John Green, tho he be long mouldering 
in his grave.

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Very interesting... although I Greene got around enough in various 
shapes and forms. Gibbons.. perhaps or perhaps by now someone has 
answered this one as I jsut get back to work after a day off sick?

Gary

john wrote:

>Hello Gary, et al., 
>
>	Greatly enjoyed your posting, Gary. Very complete, except I
>think you forgot John Greene. :) One thing did strike me as I romped
>through though, and that was that Wooding's second wife was Ann Gibbons.
>It made me wonder if she might have been related to Grinling Gibbons.
>The time would be about right. Gibbons worked in England from 1670
>(1671?) until his death in 1720. He and his wife, Elizabeth, had 12
>children, the first born in 1678. Can anyone make this connection? 
>
>John Quinn
>Santa Rosa
>
>
>
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>Wooding, ever the bon 
>vivant, did take unto his marriage  bed Ann Gibbons, now Ann Wooding, in
>
>the year 1713 (this being the year in which he did take Thomas 
>Granford's business of the Shoppe of the Three Planes, locke stocke and 
>barrele). Robert ate a bad sausage (sic) and passed away in 1728. 
>
>
>John Green, once attaining his fullness, made planes under many Naymes 
>and of many Playces... John Green of London and John Green of London, 
>John Green of York, John Green again of York. Then did John Green, no 
>not that John Green, the other John Green, did take as to an apprentice 
>Richard Bywater (1799), John Burton (1794) and Joseph Watson (who knows 
>whence he came).
>
>Upon the Death of John Green (no not that John Green, The John Green), 
>did William Ferrand, known as John Green the former's Cousin and Robert 
>Wilkinson, who had worked for John Green the later did purchase at a 
>reasonable price the holdings of John Green. It doesn't matter which 
>John Green. Just be assured that it was one of the John Green's. In the 
>true fashion of Honesty in Business did Ferrand and Wilkinson make and 
>issue planes bearing the stamp of John Green, tho he be long mouldering 
>in his grave.
>
>
>
>  
>

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InterLibrary Loan Assistant
MIT Lincoln Laboratory Library, S1-700
244 Wood Street
Lexington, MA  02420-9176 USA

email: groberts@l...
Voice: (781) 981-2781       Fax: (781) 981-2305
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