"I was surprised with recent threads about George Nakashima. It seemed
 that as many Galoots didn't know who he was as knew. And he is a prime
 example of why reading is important. If you haven't read anything
 about Nakashima, you know nothing about the soul of wood and how to
 give your Galoot made furniture soul. Anyone can reproduce soul-less,
 form furniture. Anyone can create "styled" furniture. But do you know
 how to take the soul of a piece of wood and use it in furniture so
 that it remains?"

"might as well use glued-up sawdust, er, osb, or plywood."

Hello Galoots: ---Reading IS important, I'd have to agree with
that---pretty soon here I'm gonna go re-read Eric Sloane's introduction
to "A Reverence for Wood".

   ...btw, it seems to me that the soul of wood is SO irrepressible, and
   SO durable that it survives being ground into sawdust and glued back
   into MDF. The reason people use the stuff, I believe, is that it
   still has many of the qualities of wood in it, in spite of some
   serious insult and lack of respect. Plywood, of course, is extremely
   soulful; one of the things that visitors love about master craftsman
   Sam Maloof's home is the crazy fir plywood doors on his cabinets.
   Wood is shredded into pulp, cooked into soup and baked into paper and
   cardboard---the soul survives. If trees could have the blues, it
   would be the paper products who sang 'em best...safe to say that
   those who don't feel the power in a Nakashima table aren't likely to
   be engaged by the soul and competence of a fifty-year-old cardboard
   box. Their loss. The soul is infinite and fills all the vessels that
   contain it. Some believe that God put trees here as part of our
   bounty on Earth, others believe that trees and everything else are
   stages in a random sequence of events; I won't argue with any of
   them. But I will contend with those who say that trees have no soul;
   and dispute those who say that OSB and plywood ain't got soul: I beg
   to differ, they
do. Tortured and mutilated, yes, but still WOOD, still strong and
    enduring, still the flesh, bones and souls of trees doing in death
    just what they did in life: good for all and harm to none.
    sincerely; GAM, West Seattle


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--- gary may wrote:

>    ...btw, it seems to me that the soul of wood is
> SO irrepressible, and SO durable that it survives
> being ground into sawdust and glued back into MDF.
> The reason people use the stuff, I believe, is that
> it still has many of the qualities of wood in it, in
> spite of some serious insult and lack of respect.
> Plywood, of course, is extremely soulful; ...

Amen, brother!  Plywood manufacturing put food on the
table when I was growing up, and I spent many a
graveyard shift myself helping to make the stuff
during the summers between my years in college.  It
helped pay the bills, and taught me how to put in an
honest day's work.  Plywood to me means jobs, and a
useful product.  The mill workers I knew all took
pride in their work.  Yup, there will always be a soft
spot in my heart for plywood.  Maybe not for fine
furniture, but for many things its hard to beat.  And
I still love the smell of fresh-cut Douglas fir. 

Now which would *you* rather have, a foot locker made
of plywood, or one made of steel?  A storage box of
plywood, or one of plastic?

If it feels like wood, and it smells like wood, then
it *is* wood and is worthy of our respect.

Chuck Taylor (getting down from his soap box somewhere
north of Seattle, where the most common tree by far is
Douglas fir)

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>  "I was surprised with recent threads about George Nakashima.  It
> seemed that as many Galoots didn't know who he was as knew.  And he

>    ...btw, it seems to me that the soul of wood is SO irrepressible,
> and SO durable that it survives being ground into sawdust and glued
> back into MDF. The reason people use the stuff, I believe, is that it

I know I'm going to have my head taken off for suggesting this, and I've 
already started polishing the spitoon and I'm hanging my head in shame.

And here comes the but......

Some of you have been here for several years.  You guys remember a time when 
this list was a discussion of tools.  Have you noticed that most of the 
experts about tools aren't here any longer?  Someone just asked about Richard 
Wilson.  We should be asking about a long list of people who have abandoned 
this list because most of the talk here has nothing to do with its title.  Is 
it time to rethink what's going on here...what has gone on?

Apologies to Tony, Scott, Jim, Gary and the others who have remained in spite 
of the changes....I very much appreciate your input on all matters having to 
do with old tools. 

-- 
Cheers --- Larry Marshall	
Quebec, Quebec
http://www.woodnbits.com

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On Jan 27, 2005, at 5:00 AM, Larry Marshall wrote:
> And here comes the but......
>
> Some of you have been here for several years.  You guys remember a 
> time when
> this list was a discussion of tools.  Have you noticed that most of the
> experts about tools aren't here any longer?  Someone just asked about 
> Richard
> Wilson.  We should be asking about a long list of people who have 
> abandoned
> this list because most of the talk here has nothing to do with its 
> title.  Is
> it time to rethink what's going on here...what has gone on?
>
> Apologies to Tony, Scott, Jim, Gary and the others who have remained 
> in spite
> of the changes....I very much appreciate your input on all matters 
> having to
> do with old tools.
>

Were this list to revert to a "Tools Only" discussion, a lot of its 
character would be lost. I thoroughly enjoy almost every topic 
discussed here, mostly because of the civil manner in which we conduct 
ourselves.  I wouldn't want the list to change character.  I think it 
is evolving. And the evolution is for the better.

I have learned volumes here about woodworking ways, and wood, as well 
as tools. I am a better person for having spent time here, and I have 
gained a number of friends that I otherwise probably would never have 
met.

I love this place!!!

Jim Thompson, the old millrat in Riverside, CA.

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have been in years, long may it run

danny

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I'm not an old timer so I can't comment on any changes from days of
yore, but the list suits me fine as it is.  Even when the discussion
strays off topic a little, it is usually interesting, always polite, and
never lasts long.  Thanks to the List Moms and all the Galoots for
making it what it is.

Blake       

>>> Jim Thompson <jdthompsonca@s...> 01/27/2005 7:27:28 AM
>>>

On Jan 27, 2005, at 5:00 AM, Larry Marshall wrote:
> And here comes the but......
>
> Some of you have been here for several years.  You guys remember a 
> time when
> this list was a discussion of tools.  Have you noticed that most of
the
> experts about tools aren't here any longer?  Someone just asked about

> Richard
> Wilson.  We should be asking about a long list of people who have 
> abandoned
> this list because most of the talk here has nothing to do with its 
> title.  Is
> it time to rethink what's going on here...what has gone on?
>
> Apologies to Tony, Scott, Jim, Gary and the others who have remained

> in spite
> of the changes....I very much appreciate your input on all matters 
> having to
> do with old tools.
>

Were this list to revert to a "Tools Only" discussion, a lot of its 
character would be lost. I thoroughly enjoy almost every topic 
discussed here, mostly because of the civil manner in which we conduct

ourselves.  I wouldn't want the list to change character.  I think it 
is evolving. And the evolution is for the better.

I have learned volumes here about woodworking ways, and wood, as well 
as tools. I am a better person for having spent time here, and I have 
gained a number of friends that I otherwise probably would never have 
met.

I love this place!!!

Jim Thompson, the old millrat in Riverside, CA.

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On January 27, 2005 10:21 am, you wrote:
> > Were this list to revert to a "Tools Only" discussion, a lot of its
> > character would be lost. I thoroughly enjoy almost every topic

 Civility is nice, Jim, but you've missed my point.  We used to discuss the
 acquisition and USE of hand tools.  Now we're talking about whether one
 should like (or not) furniture of one maker, whether plywood is good, etc.
 Possibly the mandate of the list has changed; maybe not.  In any case, at
 the moment, it's stated goal is:

 "The purpose of this list is to provide an entertaining,
 not-quite-moderated, light-hearted, fun, jolly, happy, informative forum to
 discuss the history, usage, value, location, availability, collectibility,
 and restoration of traditional woodworking tools." -
 http://www.brendlers.net/oldtools/oldtools.html

 I fail to see how the virtues of plywood fit into this mandate.  More
 importantly, I see little, currently, in the list that relates to that
 stated purpose.  It's this second thing that is most bothersome, not the
 occasional jaunt outside the bounds.

-- 

Cheers --- Larry Marshall	
Quebec, Quebec
http://www.woodnbits.com

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I wasn't offended by the mention of plywood, and the discussion was 
brief. If it had gone on too long I might have joined you in 
complaining about it. But others may share your opinion.

I don't want a rigidly controlled discussion forum. As long as we stay 
reasonably on topic, I can handle it.
Plywood IS wood, and wood is fair game for discussion. At least for me. 
Other people's mileage may vary.

Dissent is always welcome. I remember that Natalie didn't want to hear 
any more about it.

On Jan 27, 2005, at 7:22 AM, Larry Marshall wrote:

> On January 27, 2005 10:21 am, you wrote:
>>> Were this list to revert to a "Tools Only" discussion, a lot of its
>>> character would be lost. I thoroughly enjoy almost every topic
>
>  Civility is nice, Jim, but you've missed my point.  We used to 
> discuss the
>  acquisition and USE of hand tools.  Now we're talking about whether 
> one
>  should like (or not) furniture of one maker, whether plywood is good, 
> etc.
>  Possibly the mandate of the list has changed; maybe not.  In any 
> case, at
>  the moment, it's stated goal is:
>
>  "The purpose of this list is to provide an entertaining,
>  not-quite-moderated, light-hearted, fun, jolly, happy, informative 
> forum to
>  discuss the history, usage, value, location, availability, 
> collectibility,
>  and restoration of traditional woodworking tools." -
>  http://www.brendlers.net/oldtools/oldtools.html
>
>  I fail to see how the virtues of plywood fit into this mandate.  More
>  importantly, I see little, currently, in the list that relates to that
>  stated purpose.  It's this second thing that is most bothersome, not 
> the
>  occasional jaunt outside the bounds.

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I'll second what Jim said earlier - I love this place! I've been hanging
around for about two years, now, and have always found the discussions to be
interesting and informative. Reading the previous evenings e-mails are the
highlight of my morning. Granted, an extended discussion of plywood is a bit
off-charter, and the GN thread bored me, but my delete button works fine. At
the same time, I learned something about wood and wood as art and what can
go into selecting the appropriate wood to "show off" its soul.

At the same time, certain discussions of blacksmithing tools and methods
bore me to tears, and those are completely on charter - that's just a matter
of taste and interest. Also, some days there are only a dozen or two
e-mails, some days close to 100. Everything ebbs and flows, including
discussion topics. And never forget that a topic that was beat to death a
year or two ago could be the Holy Grail to a newbie who has more enthusiasm
than experience.

The long and short of this is that the list is what we, the list members,
make of it. If anyone wants more discussion of old tools and methods of
work, then start a thread. In that spirit, here's what I've been working on
lately and I believe that there is plenty of room for comment for the
Gathered Galooterati (my personal favorite cognomen for porch sitters).

2005 is in fact turning into the year of the saw for me. I've purchased five
from the Bay this month - a 26" Jennings 6-pt crosscut, and much shorter
10-pt crosscut with Fulton on the etch but a Jennings medallion; two bishop
10: backsaws, both 15-pt (twins, in fact). One is going to be filled rip and
be my dovetail saw - the other crosscut for tenons. Finally, and the only
one not to arrive, yet, is a Disston D-23 rip saw that I am anxiously
awaiting.

One of the Bishops need a new handle, which I'm looking forward to tackling.
I need to figure out where I'm going to get a small piece of (cherry,
probably) to use for a blank. One of my local borg's (Menards) sells 4s4
(pricey) cherry and mahogany and walnut along with the ubiquitous oak and
poplar, but only in 3/4" thickness, and I need 7/8". Woodcraft and another
local (30-minute drive) woodworking store have thicker cuts, but the length
(at WoodCraft, at least) are much more than I need. I'll figure it out.

Finally, I spent some of last night and even this morning (waiting for my
ride) shaping the teeth on my larger, no-name Warranted Superior 14" back
saw that I picked up with a no-name miter box last summer. I first jointed
the top and finished shaping this morning. I've been following Pete Taran's
article on his site. When shaping, I held the file perpendicular to the
saw - I hope that was correct. Tonight I'm going to set the teeth (maybe -
they have pretty significant set even after shaping) and file the fleam. I
can already feel that they are sharper.

The big Jennings was shipped sharp, but all the rest need attention.
Nicholson files are cheap, and the hardware store just down the street from
me carries them, so I'm in for several evenings of filing fun! Next step,
SAW TILL!!!

Rob in Peoria
1960 Anniversary Shopsmith Mk V Brownie
www.geocities.com/momentsoffaith2004

Wood shavings on the floor! Wood shavings on the floor!

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At first reading of the charter, I would tend to agree
with the "Tools Only" definition of on topic. 
However, regarding the discussion of plywood, I
believe that, as a manufactured product, it is as much
tool as material, and thus on topic.  Granted, it's
not an old tool, but plywood in its various forms has
been around for a long time.

Regarding the discussion of the furniture maker, if e
limit the discussion of tools strictly to what they
are and how to use and acquire them, we're somewhat
talking about them in a vacuum.  If the list goes that
route, we should just all admit to ourselves that we
are collectors, not users.  Part of defining what an
object "is" is knowing what it's used for; lacking the
usage data, many tools become no more than the logical
equivalents of paperweights or hammers.

Basically, I believe that understanding a tool
requires more than an understanding of how to acquire
or restore it; we have to know how to use it too. 
This is accomplished through seeing the results and
the techniques of a tool's usage; this is definitely
on topic for the list.

Just my thoughts.

Mickey

--- Larry Marshall <larry@w...> wrote:
>  Civility is nice, Jim, but you've missed my point. 
> We used to discuss the
>  acquisition and USE of hand tools.  Now we're
> talking about whether one
>  should like (or not) furniture of one maker,
> whether plywood is good, etc.
>  Possibly the mandate of the list has changed; maybe
> not.  In any case, at
>  the moment, it's stated goal is:
> 
>  "The purpose of this list is to provide an
> entertaining,
>  not-quite-moderated, light-hearted, fun, jolly,
> happy, informative forum to
>  discuss the history, usage, value, location,
> availability, collectibility,
>  and restoration of traditional woodworking tools."
> -
>  http://www.brendlers.net/oldtools/oldtools.html
> 
>  I fail to see how the virtues of plywood fit into
> this mandate.  More
>  importantly, I see little, currently, in the list
> that relates to that
>  stated purpose.  It's this second thing that is
> most bothersome, not the
>  occasional jaunt outside the bounds.

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Jeez Jim,

I was offended last night by plywood!  I had to make a spacer for mounting
an old Morgan bench vise, and a piece of 3/4" thick piece of plywood fit the
bill perfectly, however, I had to cut a 3" wide X 7-1/4" long X 3/16" deep
groove in it!

Now, do I offend my trusty old Richardson backsaw, and subject a favorite
old Shure-Kut chisel to removing the "less than wood" wood, or do I resort
to using a new old tool table saw(old because it hasn't been powered up in
several months).  A conundrum for sure!

Wisdom took over in the knick of time!  Took out a hacksaw and cut out the
metal brace (wasn't needed anyhow) that required the groove!  Bingo!  Didn't
have to clear the items off of the tablesaw bench (the cast iron makes a
perfect sharpening station) or raise the blade!

Vise is mounted and my lungs remain clear and I didn't add to any additional
ringing in the ears!

Life is good!

Tony Z.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jim Thompson" <jdthompsonca@s...>
To: "oldtools" <oldtools@c...>
Cc: "oldtools" <oldtools@c...>
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2005 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: [oldtools] seems to me

> I wasn't offended by the mention of plywood, and the discussion was
> brief. If it had gone on too long I might have joined you in
> complaining about it. But others may share your opinion.
>
> I don't want a rigidly controlled discussion forum. As long as we stay
> reasonably on topic, I can handle it.
> Plywood IS wood, and wood is fair game for discussion. At least for me.
> Other people's mileage may vary.
>
> Dissent is always welcome. I remember that Natalie didn't want to hear
> any more about it.
>
> On Jan 27, 2005, at 7:22 AM, Larry Marshall wrote:
>
> > On January 27, 2005 10:21 am, you wrote:
> >>> Were this list to revert to a "Tools Only" discussion, a lot of its
> >>> character would be lost. I thoroughly enjoy almost every topic
> >
> >  Civility is nice, Jim, but you've missed my point.  We used to
> > discuss the
> >  acquisition and USE of hand tools.  Now we're talking about whether
> > one
> >  should like (or not) furniture of one maker, whether plywood is good,
> > etc.
> >  Possibly the mandate of the list has changed; maybe not.  In any
> > case, at
> >  the moment, it's stated goal is:
> >
> >  "The purpose of this list is to provide an entertaining,
> >  not-quite-moderated, light-hearted, fun, jolly, happy, informative
> > forum to
> >  discuss the history, usage, value, location, availability,
> > collectibility,
> >  and restoration of traditional woodworking tools." -
> >  http://www.brendlers.net/oldtools/oldtools.html
> >
> >  I fail to see how the virtues of plywood fit into this mandate.  More
> >  importantly, I see little, currently, in the list that relates to that
> >  stated purpose.  It's this second thing that is most bothersome, not
> > the
> >  occasional jaunt outside the bounds.
>
>
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Lists evolve (or in some cases devolve) in their own peculiar ways over 
time. As does the giant turtle who swims through the universe, unheeding 
and uncaring of the minute creatures riding upon it's back, so does the 
Oldtools list advance in it's own pre-determined path.

I enjoy the posts on handtool woodworking, the occassional forays into 
Whatsits, Whysits and  LookWhatIFoundits. If I was to review the 
archives in the WayBack machine, I am sure that there would be a 
considerable amount of repetition in threads. But my memory is 
sufficiently possessed of a high enough  level of porosity to allow me 
to read a post and say "Gee that's interesting!" for the umpteenth time 
(let me get out my circular slide rule to figure out how many umpteenths 
it takes to reach the end of the List).  Our interests wax and wane with 
the universal currents stirred up by Great Turtle, but, as with all 
things circular (especially circular slide  rules), what goes around 
comes around.

I rest my case

Gary

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>From: Larry Marshall <larry@w...>

> Some of you have been here for several years.  You guys remember a time
when
> this list was a discussion of tools.  Have you noticed that most of the
> experts about tools aren't here any longer?
I've been thinking about this since I first read it and my first reaction
was, "Yeah, where did they all go?" but then I thought a bit more and my
reaction is quite different. Firstly, as far as the original "experts" are
concerned, many of them still pop up from time to time and I suspect are
lurking, at least via the dailydigest. That being said, Jeff Gorman is
certainly still around and participating. I browsed to Old Tools message #1
in the archives, and wouldn't you know if was from Jeff. He may be the
longest continuously-active member of the list (I resisted saying oldest...)
So, experts, huh? Seems to me that we have a bevy of experts, if not the
original crew - Although O'Deen did pop his head into the daylight last
Spring, at least long enough to deliver a rip-roaring April Fools story.
That being said, I'm pleased to see Ralph Brendler and Chris Swingly both
posting a lot more since the Listmom hat passed from one to the other. We
also now all know that the absence of Richard Wilson (who has been very kind
to me, both on and off the list) is an IT problem, not dissatisfaction with
the list.
Finally, I would like to recognize some of the experts that have joined the
porch in the last few years. Not least would be The Chemist, a.k.a. Mark
Marsay, a.k.a. Gimpy. How about the Rev. Ron sticking his experienced nose
into threads concerning metalwork and plane blades, or Steve Knight in
wooden plane-making threads. Tom Price, Bugbear, Tony Seo, Scott Grandstaff,
Alan Perreault, Kirk Eppler, Sandy Moss, Esther, ALF, Ken Greenburg, Jim E
#1 and #2 from Wisconsin, Jim Thompson the old millrat... The list goes on
and on, and I already have to apologize for those that I've left out.
The long and short of this post (mostly long, sorry) is that even with those
"experts" who have moved on, and I do mourn that loss for I could have
learned much at their feet, we certainly have no lack of experience,
knowledge, and just plain book-learnin here on the porch.
And I, for one, am a better woodworking, Neanderthal, galoot, and, dare I
say, a better man, for having known you all. Someday I even aspire to be
able to speak knowledgably enough on some subject to be considered an
expert.
Gotta go make some shavings,
Rob in Peoria (smack in the middle of Illinois, heart of the MidWest US)

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Robert / And Fellow Stain Fighters,

The fact that you mentioned my name, in that company is very flattering, but 
I am hardly worthy. I learned most of what I know just hanging around the 
Porch.

This time of year is quiet for me usually. Let's see, the shop is about 10 
deg, the flea is under 2 ft of snow, not many yaaaaad sales in these 
paaaaats this time of yeaaaa. Add to that my getting laid off a year ago (I 
have a good job now as of Jan 1), which shortened tool funds considerably, 
and SWMBO has been working weekends to get health insurance (and will be 
till March 1), and that leaves me at home watching 3 kids, 10g, 7g, 6b. And, 
there are 5 of us living in a 900 sq ft house, so I'm working on designing 
(Yup, I can draw) a large addition, before we all go crazy (too late for 
some). So that acquisition of tools, and the use of tools for recreational 
and therapeutic purposes has been seriously reduced. Hard to find time to 
read the many list posts as of late.

My point is, I think some folks may not post to OldTools for reasons other 
than them being disgruntled.  Sometimes life just has a way of filling in 
the open spaces.

Al Perreault
Wachusett Galoot
Westminster, Ma

Oh, and that darn football team keeps winning, too.

Looking forward to spring, and the Atkin's backsaw I just won from 
mrsdeadhorse.

> Finally, I would like to recognize some of the experts that have joined 
> the
> porch in the last few years. Not least would be The Chemist, a.k.a. Mark
> Marsay, a.k.a. Gimpy. How about the Rev. Ron sticking his experienced nose
> into threads concerning metalwork and plane blades, or Steve Knight in
> wooden plane-making threads. Tom Price, Bugbear, Tony Seo, Scott 
> Grandstaff,
> Alan Perreault, Kirk Eppler, Sandy Moss, Esther, ALF, Ken Greenburg, Jim E
> #1 and #2 from Wisconsin, Jim Thompson the old millrat...
>
> Gotta go make some shavings,
> Rob in Peoria (smack in the middle of Illinois, heart of the MidWest US)
>

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>My point is, I think some folks may not post to OldTools for reasons
>other than them being disgruntled. Sometimes life just has a way of
>filling in the open spaces.
>
>Al Perreault Wachusett Galoot Westminster, Ma
>

Hello all,

I'm still here to. Throw me into the "life's thrown me a curveball",
but I still get to poke my head up between the floorboards once in
awhile group. Wishing all you rustaholics a happy and healthy start to
the 2005 season

Regards Jonathan

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z

:  -----Original Message-----
:  From: Robert Weber [mailto:raweber@m...]
:  Sent: 29 January 2005 19:51
:  To: oldtools
:  Subject: RE: [oldtools] seems to me
:
:  ........................................I browsed to Old Tools
:  message #1
:  in the archives, and wouldn't you know if was from Jeff. He may be the
:  longest continuously-active member of the list (I resisted
:  saying oldest...)

Age-wise, Robert could be correct - any advance on 76? Any competitors have
until mid-May to catch up.

However, having the honour of message #1 in the archive is very pleasing,
yet it must be far from the first message. Being put off by the title and
thinking that rec.ww kept me occupied enough, I did not join OldTools until
a few days (maybe weeks) after its inception, being enlightened by a message
from Steve LaMantia (of fond memory).

Jeff
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Jeff Gorman, West Yorkshire, UK
www.amgron.clara.net

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Amen.  I am hardly worthy (nor strong enough) to carry the toolboxes of 
any of the gang on that list.

Alan Perreault wrote:

> The fact that you mentioned my name, in that company is very 
> flattering, but I am hardly worthy. I learned most of what I know just 
> hanging around the Porch.
>
>> Finally, I would like to recognize some of the experts that have 
>> joined the
>> porch in the last few years. Not least would be The Chemist, a.k.a. Mark
>> Marsay, a.k.a. Gimpy. How about the Rev. Ron sticking his experienced 
>> nose
>> into threads concerning metalwork and plane blades, or Steve Knight in
>> wooden plane-making threads. Tom Price, Bugbear, Tony Seo, Scott 
>> Grandstaff,
>> Alan Perreault, Kirk Eppler, Sandy Moss, Esther, ALF, Ken Greenburg, 
>> Jim E
>> #1 and #2 from Wisconsin, Jim Thompson the old millrat...
>>

-- 
Kirk Eppler in Half Moon Bay, CA
Process Development Engineering
Eppler.Kirk@g...

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Will you look at these guys! Good lookin' and humble too!

Rob in Peoria

-----Original Message-----
From: Kirk Eppler [mailto:eppler.kirk@g...]
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 2:53 PM
To: oldtools
Cc: oldtools
Subject: Re: [oldtools] seems to me

Amen.  I am hardly worthy (nor strong enough) to carry the toolboxes of
any of the gang on that list.

Alan Perreault wrote:

> The fact that you mentioned my name, in that company is very
> flattering, but I am hardly worthy. I learned most of what I know just
> hanging around the Porch.
>
 

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Jeff Gorman wrote:

> 
> Age-wise, Robert could be correct - any advance on 76? Any competitors have
> until mid-May to catch up.
> 
> However, having the honour of message #1 in the archive is very pleasing,
> yet it must be far from the first message. Being put off by the title and
> thinking that rec.ww kept me occupied enough, I did not join OldTools until
> a few days (maybe weeks) after its inception, being enlightened by a message
> from Steve LaMantia (of fond memory).
>

The archive is missing a month or so of posts. I don't have all of 
the early digests either - mine start at about Digest No. 60 or so 
from January of 1996.

I miss some of the names that are missing now, but they've been 
replaced by some pretty good Galoots and the Porch is a good place 
to hang out these days,

Someone mentioned Gunterman - I do miss his self-deprecating posts 
where he described some of his more bizarre incidents. My favorite 
tale wasn't actually posted on the Porch. It was revealed over on 
wreck.the.wood:
http://tinyurl.com/5kgmm

Heh, heh... that was a good 'un.
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Tom Price (TomPrice@a...)
Will Work For Tools
The Galoot's Progress Old Tools site is at:
http://homepage.mac.com/galoot_9/galtprog.html

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