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| 140551 | "Andy Seaman" <aks21@c...> | Jan-10-2005 | re: Heat Treating question |
Here's an e-mail that I got off-list that I thought would be helpful to have in the archives. My responses included at the end: >Gah, that's a weenie little tang for such a big honking chisel. >>Anyway: > >If you bought Starret bar stock (and it sure reads like you did), >you >should not need to do any normalising to it, since it comes that >way, >and I see no evidence that you beat on it with a hammer. But you >can >if it makes you happy. > >I hope you didn't sharpen it. You need to leave a bit on the edge >to >be ground off. Likewise you expect to remove a bit from the back. This >has to do with expecting a bit of decarb on the surface with normal >heat treat facilites of human beings. It also compensates >for any >little motions that might occur with heat treat. > >Standard blacksmith method, at least the one I was taught, is to >heat >it to critical and quench _vertically_ (point/edge first - this >helps >to reduce the warpage potential), moving it up and down a little >so >that there is not a sharp line of differential cooling as would happen >if it were held at a fixed depth. This is easy with a >water quench, if >your oil catches on fire you may decide to let go and >slap a cover >(never use an oil quench without having a tightly fitting cover handy >to smother it with) on the flaming oil. Assuming that >you succeed and >are not flaming, you pull the tip out when it's >quenched and _quickly_ >polish a stripe up to the tip. Then watch the >colors run, as the heat >from the part not quenched re-heats the tip. >Quench when the color you >want hits the tip. This makes an inherently >soft tang and hard tip. > >Of course, according to Ron Hock (quite recent discussion, check >list >archives), you want it harder than you can see colors, though >this >disagees with many references regarding hardness of woodworking tools. >But few people complain about his plane irons chipping, >and many >people love them, so he _might_ just have a point ;-). > >In any case, I'm darned if I know what you mean by "triple >tempering >the tang", since tempering is purely a matter of temperature, not >number of times. If you quench the whole thing and temper the >whole >thing to Ron's suggested temperature for the edge, then heat the >tang >hotter, it should also be fine. Have the tempering means set up >and do >not delay tempering - full-hard non-tempered steel is >remarkably >fragile. I'd get the tang and near-tang blade up to a nice >springy >blue, if going that way. My responses: The tang is a full 1/4" wide. Looks small, but has plenty of beef. My plan was to normalise the steel to prevent warpage due to any stresses induced during machining/forming and yes it does make me happy! :) The chisel has a blunt edge of about 1/16" - so no, I didn't sharpen it since I plan to grind about 10 thou away to get rid of the decarburized layer. I guess the whole "triple tempered" idea was a bit of hyperbole that I didn't make obvious enough. So let's see, maybe I should octuple-temper the tang? :) Thanks for the great advice. -Andy | |||
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| ID | From | Date | Subject |
| 140546 | Andy Seaman <aks21@c...> | Jan-10-2005 | Heat Treating question |
| 140547 | "Foster, Jim" <jaf@u...> | Jan-10-2005 | RE: Heat Treating question |
| 140548 | Jim Thompson <jdthompsonca@s...> | Jan-10-2005 | Re: Heat Treating question |
| 140551 | "Andy Seaman" <aks21@c...> | Jan-10-2005 | re: Heat Treating question |
| 140552 | scott grandstaff <scottg@s...> | Jan-10-2005 | Re: Heat Treating question |
| 140553 | Ron Hock <ron@h...> | Jan-10-2005 | Re: Heat Treating question |
| 140555 | "Dan Hogan" <dhhogan1@e...> | Jan-10-2005 | Re: Heat Treating question |
| 140557 | "Foster, Jim" <jaf@u...> | Jan-10-2005 | RE: Heat Treating question |
| 140558 | "Charles Aoun" <sharpblade@v...> | Jan-10-2005 | Re: Heat Treating question |
| 140559 | Ron Hock <ron@h...> | Jan-10-2005 | Re: Heat Treating question |
| 140561 | Wesley Groot <wesg@e...> | Jan-10-2005 | Re: Heat Treating question |
| 140573 | "Andy Seaman" <aks21@c...> | Jan-11-2005 | Re: Heat Treating question |
| 140597 | Tad Anhalt <tja@n...> | Jan-11-2005 | Re: Heat Treating question |
| 140604 | "M.Stadulis" <mstadulis@c...> | Jan-12-2005 | Re: Heat Treating question |
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