I was cruising one of the local dumpy shops while SWMBO had
the kids at the playground...  There was a #80 (scraper) 
hanging on the wall.  I couldn't pull the blade without 
Liquid Wrench to check the logo but the back of the blade
holder - the little metal strap - was stamped Patent Apld 
For (or something similar).  I am used to seeing patent
dates on everything that Stanley made so this made me wonder.
Did they stamp the dates on #80's?  If not this is probably
an early one or am I making a bad assumption?  Unfortunately
I didn't have the cash or the checkbook with me and SWMBO was
snarling about the credit cards so I was a good boy :-(.

I will probably go back and get it for my father.  He likes
his Veritas scraper holder - gack, puke.  He needs to use
the real thing.

Dave

Stanley actual manufactured many tools marked Pat App'd For.  Your assumption
that tools marked in this manner are early may in most cases be accurate.
 However in the case of the #80 the mark may not have been added until
Stanley went for the 1914 patents.  The early type would date from about
1898. This is a guess on my part so passed on for what it is worth
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Clarence Blanchard
27 Fickett Rd 
Pownal, ME 04069

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Clarence (who certainly knows FAR more than I) wrote:

<Stanley actual manufactured many tools marked Pat App'd For.  Your assumption
<that tools marked in this manner are early may in most cases be accurate.
< However in the case of the #80 the mark may not have been added until
<Stanley went for the 1914 patents.  The early type would date from about
<1898. This is a guess on my part so passed on for what it is worth

        His post is most likely correct.  But, it has given me a personal
mystery.  So, someone set me straight.
         My first, and current, reaction to the original post is that "Pat.
Appl'd for" is not ALWAYS a good indicator as Clarence pointed out.  (I
believe the new Walters guide says something about pat'd dates being on a
type 1).  So, something is wrong.
        But, my personal mystery has to do with the dating of "Pat. Appl'd
for".  It has been taught to me by others and personal research that the
use of "Pat Appl'd for" was replaced in about 1896 by "Patent Pending".  Of
course, there delays in getting the changes into all manufacturers use, but
5 years has been the timeframe most often mentioned as the end of "Pat.
Appl'd for".  That would set 1901 as the end of use of "Pat. Appl'd for".  
        So, what can folks tell me about the dates of use of Pat. Appl'd
for and the changeover to Patent Pending?  How does that square with the
1914 patents of the # 80.  Those patents of the # 80 don't seem to have
much to do with the basic operation of a scraper.  Did Stanley try to
patent a basic scraper much earlier and have it disallowed?  If Stanley
waited till near 1914 to apply for a patent, wouldn't they have used
"Patent Pending"?
        I'm not a Stanley expert (nor am I an expert in any other area),
but such a late use of Pat Appl'd for (if it was used late) would be
upsetting to alot of tool dating technique.  Maybe Stanley was just one
sloooow company?  I need answers.  Anyone got them?

        Oh, and suscribe to Clarences Fine Tool Journal magazine.  It is
one super pub - AND, Galoots should support the tool fraternities endeavors
to keep us informed and in tools!! 

         
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